Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP
Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Tue, 11 August 2015 06:22 UTC
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Subject: Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>
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From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
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Hi, On 8/11/15 6:17 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > It states an opinion of the IAB and IESG > at that time regarding two very bad suggestions for key management. The right > opinion, IMO, but still just an opinion of a dozen or so individuals. > > That isn't so. Trivially, it was more like two dozen people (IAB+IESG) > speaking as bodies put in place by the IETF community, not as individuals. > Non-trivially, we strongly believed at the the time that we were giving > the rough consensus view of the IETF as a whole. There was a vigorous > debate in plenary at IETF 32 (Danvers, April 1995) which made the strength > of opinion in the IETF about the need for strong crypto very clear. > Unfortunately I can't readily find any trace of minutes of that plenary. > > The first draft of what became RFC 1984 was circulated and wordsmithed > within the IAB and IESG, starting June 1996. An IAB and IESG Statement > version was released to the media on July 24, 1996 and simultaneously > sent to the IETF list, with a statement of intent to publish it as > an RFC. There was a rush due to US Congressional hearings that week. > > The only comments we got on the IETF list were supportive, although > there was no formal last call. The RFC version was posted August 19, > 1996. > While I wasn't in leadership, this matches my recollection at the time. Had the IAB or IESG called for comment, I'm sure they would have gotten enthusiastic support from the community, which at the time was galvanized against both export restrictions and the use of key escrow (keep in mind this was probably the peak of key signing parties at the IETF). I think if we reopened 1984 today we'd probably include discussion of the need for PFS and might even venture to provide references to high profile examples of some governments' inability to secure THEIR secure information, much less that of others. On balance, though, the document stands the test of time. Eliot
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Paul Hoffman
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Randy Bush
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael Richardson
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Paul Wouters
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Bob Hinden
- Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Hugo Maxwell Connery
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Sam Hartman
- Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael Richardson
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Joe Touch
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Sam Hartman
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP David Farmer
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Pete Resnick
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Joe Touch
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Nico Williams
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… John C Klensin
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP IAB Chair
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… John C Klensin
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Nico Williams
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Randy Bush
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Nico Williams
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP ned+ietf
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Michael StJohns
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Abley
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Abley
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Sam Hartman
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP james woodyatt
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Pete Resnick
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael StJohns
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Pete Resnick
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael StJohns
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Levine
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael StJohns
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP manning
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Leslie
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Donald Eastlake
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John G. Scudder
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Leslie
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Simon Josefsson
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Levine
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Leslie
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eric Burger
- Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eliot Lear
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eliot Lear
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Stewart Bryant
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eric Burger
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eliot Lear
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP t.p.
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Måns Nilsson
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Avri Doria
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Curran
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Randy Bush
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Curran
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Curran
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Curran