Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP
Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Thu, 13 August 2015 05:31 UTC
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Den 13. aug. 2015 01:31, skrev Roy T. Fielding: >> On Aug 12, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> wrote: >> >> On 08/12/2015 11:02 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: >>> The reason I read it that way is because, in fact, none of the protocols >>> we developed at that time actually required strong cryptography. They >>> just assumed you would layer the right amount of cryptography underneath, >>> using one of the (at that time) non-IETF security protocols with appropriate >>> patent and export licensing. >> I was in the room at the Danvers plenary, and that was not the >> impression I got. >> In particular, at that time many people believed very strongly that >> IPSEC, an IETF protocol, would be THE most useful tool for achieving >> security, once it was finished. > > Yes, certainly. But, IPsec didn't require strong encryption be used; > it required an MTI algorithm of 56bit DES-CBC. IPsec had algorithm and > key length options, like everything else at the time. At that time, 56bit DES-CBC was considered strong per the export rules. What we were fighting against was 40bit RC4.
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Paul Hoffman
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Randy Bush
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael Richardson
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Paul Wouters
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Bob Hinden
- Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Hugo Maxwell Connery
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Sam Hartman
- Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael Richardson
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Joe Touch
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Sam Hartman
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP David Farmer
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Pete Resnick
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Joe Touch
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Nico Williams
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… John C Klensin
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP IAB Chair
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… John C Klensin
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Nico Williams
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Randy Bush
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Nico Williams
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP ned+ietf
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Michael StJohns
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Abley
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Abley
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Sam Hartman
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP james woodyatt
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Pete Resnick
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael StJohns
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Pete Resnick
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael StJohns
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Levine
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael StJohns
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP manning
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Leslie
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Donald Eastlake
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John G. Scudder
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Leslie
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Simon Josefsson
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Levine
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Leslie
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eric Burger
- Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eliot Lear
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eliot Lear
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Stewart Bryant
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eric Burger
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eliot Lear
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP t.p.
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Måns Nilsson
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Avri Doria
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Curran
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Randy Bush
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Curran
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Curran
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Curran