Re: Rebooked venues selected for IETF 112, IETF 117, and IETF 120 meetings

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:52 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 8:30 PM George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:
> >
> > My only concern is that the ESTA/CBP barriers to entry for IETF
> > participants who have travel issues to the USA remain. We are in
> > effect normalising US foreign policy discrimination against IETF
> > participation F2F
>
> It seems that putting a meeting back in the US is really not something
> the IETF should do... not until the current problems (virus, <internal
> strife>, external restrictions> are fixed... I don't think we(ietf)
> should be concerned about the potential loss on the SF site
> deposits/etc...
>
[MB] Do you really think you/we can judge what things will be like over 3
years from now?    What specifically does the virus have to do with whether
or not we have a meeting in the US in 3 years?    There's nothing to say
that other countries won't have other restrictions of various sorts in 3
years time.  Personally, I think these changes are just perfect.   If the
meeting was moved to 2021, then maybe the concerns are valid, but not
2023.  [/MB]

>
> >
> > I think you made an entirely rational decision financially, but I
> > think the underlying reasons we wound up going to Canada by preference
> > remain.
> >
> > -george
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 8:38 AM IETF Executive Director
> > <exec-director@ietf.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > The IETF Administration LLC is pleased to announce that:
> > >
> > > * IETF 112 will be held in Madrid at the Melia Castilla Hotel and
> Convention Center, 6-12 November 2021.  This was the venue originally
> booked for IETF 108, which was moved online because of the global pandemic
> [1].  We have chosen to rebook this venue to support the 20 years of
> significant community effort to bring an IETF meeting to Spain.
> > >
> > > * IETF 117 will be held in San Francisco at the Hilton Union Square,
> 22-28 July 2023.  This was the venue originally booked for IETF 102, which
> was moved because of concerns about US travel restrictions [2].  We have
> rebooked this venue as it was either that or pay a significant cancellation
> fee..
> > >
> > > * IETF 120 will be held in Vancouver at the Hyatt Regency Vancouver,
> 20-26 July 2024.  This was the venue originally booked for IETF 107, which
> was moved online because of the global pandemic [3].  We have chosen to
> rebook this venue to preserve the effort already put into contracting and
> preparing for this venue.
> > >
> > > In general, as the process of selecting a venue is expensive and time
> consuming, rebooking previously cancelled venues ensure that those costs
> are not written off and additional costs are not incurred in selecting new
> venues.
> > >
> > > Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any comments or
> questions.
> > >
> > > [1]
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/kzC7M48oKrAwdh9uyOvseeKFW3A/
> > > [2]  https://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/IETF102Changeofvenuedates.pdf
> > > [3]
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/XenAlx4Nw6Jmg69QpXRUOwbzsXY/
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jay Daley
> > > IETF Executive Director
> > > exec-director@ietf.org
> > >
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