Re: Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Updates” header
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Tue, 11 September 2018 18:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Updates” header
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I have read the statement, and I think it's a bit weak. I don't feel very clarified, and Tom asked the question I would have. Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote: >> On Sep 11, 2018, at 11:31 AM, tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com> >> wrote: >> To give a practical problem; when an I-D adds new entries to an >> existing registry, is that an 'Updates'? I have seen ADs firmly tell >> WG Chairs, holding the contrary opinion, that it is not, and I thought >> that that was settled, but applying this statement to that situation >> leaves me in ignorance. > The intent is that these are usually not “Updates”. But they can be if > there are special circumstances, which I presume would be documented in > the text that describes the nature of the update. An individual AD may > or may not agree with an argument that a particular update is “special” > in this sense, but I believe we all agree that such special cases are > in the realm of possibility. I don't think that this situation is terribly rare or special. It definitely happens regularly in my opinion. When doing -bis documents with the intent of Obsoletes a previous document, I think that all of the Updates: need to be reviewed. I think that Updates: should be considered in a future context of revising the document. "if you were revising it now, would you include the new text?" If the feature/extension is still quite rare, unpopular, or very specific to very narrow scopes, then I don't think it should Updates:. In most cases when a document in WG X does an allocation from a document produced by WG Y, I don't think it's ever an Update. (X!=Y, except when X and Y are clearly related, such when Y=="Xupdates" or "Xmaint") When WG X does such an allocation for the WG-X-protocol-foo-extension, then I think it definitely is an update, but that's not because it did the allocation, but because of what it does to the protocol. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
- Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Update… Ben Campbell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… tom petch
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Paul Wouters
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… tom petch
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Robert Sparks
- Re: Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the… Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Bob Hinden
- RE: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell
- RE: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Christer Holmberg
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell
- RE: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Robert Sparks
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Donald Eastlake
- Re: Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the… Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Sean Turner
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Paul Hoffman
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Julian Reschke
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Adam Roach
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Adam Roach
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ted Lemon
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Paul Hoffman
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Heather Flanagan
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Lars Eggert
- RE: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Roni Even (A)
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Robert Sparks
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on the use of the “Up… Ben Campbell