Re: Internet standardisation remains unilateral

Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> Mon, 21 October 2013 15:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: Internet standardisation remains unilateral
From: Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca>
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:20:43 -0400
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On 2013-10-21, at 11:14, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it is counter productive to label opinions you find unpleasant 'troll'. That implies that the only reason the views are raised is to provoke a pointless argument.

I don't think Stephane was labelling an opinion a troll. I think he was labelling the source of the opinions a troll.


Joe