Re: HTTP/2 has been approved

David Morris <dwm@xpasc.com> Thu, 19 February 2015 20:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: HTTP/2 has been approved
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2015, Paul Hoffman wrote:

> On Feb 19, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Sean Turner <turners@ieca.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Feb 19, 2015, at 10:16, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> I propose that this document skip PS, and go straight to Internet Standard to
> >> accurately reflect the status of this document.
> >
> > Six months after it gets an RFC# I?d completely support this.
>
> Good god, no. HTTP/2 is quite complex, and it is likely that at least
> some parts will turn out to be non-optimal. Please give the HTTPBIS WG
> at least a year to shake out the protocol after wide deployment and
> constant use. Rushing the WG just so we can feel good about slapping a
> near-meaningless feel-good label on the spec is not a good process.
>
> Counter-proposal: we let the people closest to the protocol, the WG that
> created it, decide when to ask for STD status.

There are at least two design choices I wouldn't accept as final w/o real
world experience. I don't want to open that discussion now but I will be
watching deployement results and feedback from 'outside' implementers.
No way should we jump to 'standard' now.

Dave Morris