RE: Internet Drafts' Destiney.

Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com> Mon, 28 May 2018 17:57 UTC

Return-Path: <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D1B128954 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 May 2018 10:57:11 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=outlook.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JCivbh1wxGuG for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 28 May 2018 10:57:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from EUR02-AM5-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092067068.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.67.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AA971270AB for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 28 May 2018 10:57:08 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=aMbgyxMUeEMUxBwvGsmxWyjyHcHemIKoHLTLeHSkHAw=; b=O6Klkdsmv7KiejxpqzzcHCDTnQSKm5qxNS/DgpoMFv0eDDWMwZS1tzELLI9UFVdhX84cRF+388x4WijMPi2dwsqS37HQapl1ae9yxcJlw5K469FYLOaLoZIrhBfmZN7sd87UY9uRkdHKDiB10FE59hDwYWmEiHhtDillhXm6+GkNEE8GXLCmrK1lvon2ST2c9CYxS8hklSE/QypmttqbKP2mNe1zbeV6UJeapF5MAA43Wst+VAaHqRQylKoJhH69Oj5qvj1IMfCF7sOWOfd/rgt3D5GDNp/b9CGo0oyeQHuS4ZjZe6Wwi+J4K0BGU1x3fmHzI3hC60usujcJ9GDooQ==
Received: from HE1EUR02FT043.eop-EUR02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.10.53) by HE1EUR02HT145.eop-EUR02.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.11.214) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.20.820.8; Mon, 28 May 2018 17:57:06 +0000
Received: from HE1P190MB0122.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (10.152.10.59) by HE1EUR02FT043.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.11.140) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.20.820.8 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 28 May 2018 17:57:06 +0000
Received: from HE1P190MB0122.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::a97a:e2b1:f8f:5142]) by HE1P190MB0122.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::a97a:e2b1:f8f:5142%17]) with mapi id 15.20.0797.017; Mon, 28 May 2018 17:57:06 +0000
From: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
To: Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com>
CC: "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Internet Drafts' Destiney.
Thread-Topic: Internet Drafts' Destiney.
Thread-Index: AdP18k6rPJX7Rk6lT7uaB+6o8j29YQAMGV5gACGyI9AAALnhAAAAE6SA
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 17:57:06 +0000
Message-ID: <HE1P190MB012227711961EB4D4343C761AE6E0@HE1P190MB0122.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM5PR0401MB260963E616A6312FFE23C06EBD6F0@AM5PR0401MB2609.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com> <F04ED1585899D842B482E7ADCA581B8469646E54@newserver.arneill-py.local> <HE1P190MB0122B8E77A642DEDBF4F018AAE6E0@HE1P190MB0122.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <alpine.OSX.2.01.1805281046530.26368@ole-pro-2.local>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.OSX.2.01.1805281046530.26368@ole-pro-2.local>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:3E1A18227E947D5A1E63937DADA49C3BEFBF88EF785EF58057B37CC4C7E748F5; UpperCasedChecksum:79244AC3733F741AE623279B39F7977808760D3668D59DCEC6475982A8BA2F80; SizeAsReceived:7222; Count:46
x-tmn: [v6j+U9bnQshhZHWf3fNhlOcXydr+gFGc]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; HE1EUR02HT145; 7:8PKIodhBWYQF2TIvrCsx55/DQiRnFGkmsJMgcsfAcePEksVfsC5ZLcrRP6lLBkBzTHGNjHezBl7Y3GkRHqxOjFhhvfbtqhTMyARxVJRG+5AaQpPNgZyXUuPBYGReszVG6/cHkQy+XRrX9I3/pTB5nwH//ELrVM2GUemChYWxEUm5XccVlbehiZCdF04c0CI+utxU4Ho3dHvai2coeycLMwcybrLGZ+ZABVcKS3cSZsP54TFAlSjBo2R26bhK+m3+
x-incomingheadercount: 46
x-eopattributedmessage: 0
x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(7020095)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031324274)(2017031323274)(2017031322404)(1603101448)(1601125466)(1701031045); SRVR:HE1EUR02HT145;
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: HE1EUR02HT145:
x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(444000031); SRVR:HE1EUR02HT145; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:HE1EUR02HT145;
x-forefront-prvs: 06860EDC7B
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(7070007)(13464003)(199004)(189003)(8936002)(20460500001)(97736004)(14454004)(5660300001)(99286004)(82202002)(74316002)(229853002)(6436002)(2900100001)(104016004)(87572001)(86362001)(5250100002)(486006)(68736007)(81156014)(8676002)(3660700001)(106356001)(39060400002)(7696005)(16170700002)(426003)(105586002)(8656006)(3280700002)(102836004)(6346003)(26005)(4326008)(76176011)(6246003)(53546011)(6916009)(25786009)(305945005)(55016002)(476003)(33656002)(446003)(11346002)(93886005); DIR:OUT; SFP:1901; SCL:1; SRVR:HE1EUR02HT145; H:HE1P190MB0122.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:;
received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: outlook.com does not designate permitted sender hosts)
authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: /VKts9XQf9w32yvAUau8jjD/o8f6CFMp6hqjA4vnhjHJ70vsYnXUDH4w+8Xj1ZMEDNnhKGJ1rdke+WPqUXbQkczk1yWy6+09x+mL0ofysLwQ5zN+4e6/gAJdaxKcArE+FsUUBEDi4WSe621qjHrRCLn1wCAMsqwhzQ6NW5RAC9uznovL4Ht+Y8cib9lG+Ot3
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: fc06d5ef-e816-41c9-d88e-08d5c4c46ced
X-OriginatorOrg: outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: dd759f05-a917-4aa0-a2f5-4cc35c50e0c8
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: fc06d5ef-e816-41c9-d88e-08d5c4c46ced
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: dd759f05-a917-4aa0-a2f5-4cc35c50e0c8
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 28 May 2018 17:57:06.2172 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1EUR02HT145
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/afwtF93iBXva1ETuAhulY7p0D7Q>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 17:57:12 -0000

As I just told Ted privately, all what I'm trying to do is to ask good minds to evaluate the ideas, if I don't believe that the best minds are here I wouldn't ask for evaluation at least maybe there is something needs modification or something more to add.

I'm not forcing people to show interest, but maybe someone will find the idea interesting, I feel it is not good to submit drafts to a reputable organization such as the IETF and find no response, that's all.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ole Jacobsen [mailto:olejacobsen@me.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 7:51 PM
To: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
Cc: Michel Py <michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Internet Drafts' Destiney.


On Mon, 28 May 2018, Khaled Omar wrote:

> It is better to say something good and responsible other than saying 
> trivial repeated words because these words represents only your 
> culture and yourself.
> 
> I feel sorry for the people who are reading this.
> 

"Culture" is indeed the key phrase here. The IETF has its own culture, its own way of developing standards/drafts/whatever. This has been repeatedly explained to you, yet you've chosen a different approach and now you're asking the IETF to engage. 

I am sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. Perhaps it should, but that's not currently the way things work.

Ole