Re: Fwd: Initial suggestion from the IETF SAA

[Keith Moore <[e-mail]>]

I agree to some extent with the SAA(s) here, and was about to send a 
private message to Lloyd about the same message.  But I do have a 
request of the SAAs:

Put please don't use the word "unprofessional" or offer judgments about 
that as reasons to push back on someone, because notions of 
"professional" include some pretty heinous prejudices. "Professional" 
without qualification is nothing to aspire to, and vague nonspecific 
criticisms can have every bit as much of a chilling effect on legitimate 
conversation as what you're complaining about, if not worse.

It's sufficient to say that Lloyd's message is making an assessment of 
others' motives.   This should be avoided even if the assessment is not 
viewed as an "attack".

Thank you.

Keith

p.s. IMO all such actions by the SAAs should be public, because there's 
a danger of selective enforcement as a means to discourage some 
participants while leaving others free to be abusive.


On 4/6/21 12:43 AM, IETF Sergeant at Arms wrote:
> Establishing the TERM workgroup gives Niels and his colleagues a space 
> in which to practise and better their authoritarian thought policing 
> (sorry, 'governance'), out of the general view, in a safe area away 
> from disturbance.
>
> which the SAA team considers unprofessional commentary [3] for being a 
> personal attack. Please try to avoid using this kind of language on 
> [e-mail] in the future. We are happy to discuss suggestions for 
> how to convey the same message in an appropriate way if you would like 
> to discuss that.