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Re: Author disclosures and conflict of interest

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 25 April 2014 20:50 UTC

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:50:50 +1200
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On 26/04/2014 05:46, Dave Crocker wrote:
...
> The proper model for such an environment is that everyone who
> participates is biased and has an agenda.

Which is, I believe, one of the fundamental reasons why we don't
vote in the IETF and do attempt to judge consensus on the basis
of technical arguments rather than head counts.

    Brian

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