Re: Author disclosures and conflict of interest

[Phillip Hallam-Baker <[e-mail]>]

So there is only one set of ethical rules for scientists and engineers then?

Thats news to me.

On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Lawrence Rosen <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
>> Like the question 'are you a spy' which they used to ask when people
>> entered the US, I fail to see how this helps with the NSA/FSB/PLA/etc problem.
>
> The question actually is: Do you agree to the ethical rules for scientists and engineers?
>
> By the way, those ethical rules require only disclosure, not recusal.
>
> /Larry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phillip Hallam-Baker [mailto:[e-mail]]
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> Subject: Re: Author disclosures and conflict of interest
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> Like the question 'are you a spy' which they used to ask when people entered the US, I fail to see how this helps with the NSA/FSB/PLA/etc problem.
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> The people who are being paid to subvert the standards aren't going to say.
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> They might not even know that the objective is subversion.
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>
> Like many IETF participants I have substantial financial interests in several Internet companies besides my employer. Am I meant to put those in a blind trust?
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> And even if I did all that people would still assume that I am working as an agent of the New World Order. Though quite how the other folk on the conference call worked out that the helicopter is black still puzzles me.
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> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Lawrence Rosen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> I’ve been skimming recent threads  on this list relating to work done
>> (or not done) at IETF and was reminded of this from Science Magazine:
>>
>>
>>
>> Authorship Form and Conflict-of-Interest Statement
>>
>> To meet its responsibility to readers and to the public to provide
>> clear and unbiased scientific results and analyses, Science believes
>> that manuscripts (including Brevia, Essays, Perspectives, Policy
>> Forums, Reports, Research Articles, Reviews, and Viewpoints) should be
>> accompanied by clear disclosures from all authors of the nature and
>> level of their contribution to the article, their understanding
>> regarding the obligation to share data and materials, and any
>> affiliations, funding sources, or financial holdings that might raise
>> questions about possible sources of bias. Before manuscript
>> acceptance, therefore, authors will be asked to sign an
>> authorship/conflict-of-interest form. Specific information will be sent to most authors at the time of manuscript revision.
>>
>> Authorship Form and Statement of Conflicts of Interest [PDF]
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>>
>>
>> Part IV regarding “Conflict of Interest” is particularly relevant to
>> standards organizations such as IETF. Such a disclosure requirement
>> would further encourage everyone to trust and implement IETF specifications.
>>
>>
>>
>> This document follows the recommendations in On Being a Scientist: A
>> Guide to Responsible Conduct in Research, The National Academies
>> Press, Third Edition (2009).
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>>
>>
>> /Larry
>>
>>
>>
>> Lawrence Rosen
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