Re: perspective of discussion about I-D.farresnickel-harassment

"Dan Harkins" <dharkins@lounge.org> Sun, 22 March 2015 21:56 UTC

Return-Path: <dharkins@lounge.org>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB081A1C03 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 14:56:59 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -3.867
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.867 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id munfXwzbaQc9 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 14:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from colo.trepanning.net (colo.trepanning.net [69.55.226.174]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B641A1BD7 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 14:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from www.trepanning.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by colo.trepanning.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481DB1FE01F0; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 14:56:57 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from 31.133.183.129 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dharkins@lounge.org) by www.trepanning.net with HTTP; Sun, 22 Mar 2015 14:56:57 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <6688f68c432f94a855f5130dd02dbbe6.squirrel@www.trepanning.net>
In-Reply-To: <550F2CDD.7040206@dcrocker.net>
References: <CAG4d1rdr9=98dBiP3r9gvM4fyj9rb9gP2JB6xBmotpUcJkHtwA@mail.gmail.com> <f7433988bd7a7cd6afd387efef064711.squirrel@www.trepanning.net> <550F2CDD.7040206@dcrocker.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 14:56:57 -0700
Subject: Re: perspective of discussion about I-D.farresnickel-harassment
From: Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org>
To: dcrocker@bbiw.net
User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.14 [SVN]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Importance: Normal
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/qJCob1DJjdueoTzQnt3NsjSlWRk>
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 21:56:59 -0000

On Sun, March 22, 2015 1:58 pm, Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 3/22/2015 3:53 PM, Dan Harkins wrote:
>>   If you haven't realized that non-governmental committees to
>> deal with harassment in their organizations have been greeted
>> with quite a few false accusations of late then you PROBABLY
>> aren't paying attention.
>
>
> Dan,
>
> I thought I was paying attention, but apparently I wasn't. Thanks for
> alerting us to this insidious problem.

  Sarcasm would be a more effective tool for silencing others (i.e. bullying)
if it wasn't so cheap these days.

> Unfortunately a concern for claims that might not prove true has to
> include the one you've just made.
>
> So it would help for you to provide some outside substantiation for it.
>  A professional study on the problem would help quite a bit.  Anecdotal
> media reporting probably won't.

  This is certainly going to derail this thread, and maybe that's what you
hoped for. But you asked so here you go. These have more to do with
rape ("pseudologia phantastica") than harassment so feel free to put
your head back in the sand if you like.

http://www.icdv.idaho.gov/conference/handouts/False-Allegations.pdf

http://sf-criminaldefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/KaninFalseRapeAllegations.pdf

There are others. Google works, try it.

  Dan.

> d/
>
> --
> Dave Crocker
> Brandenburg InternetWorking
> bbiw.net
>