Re: perspective of discussion about I-D.farresnickel-harassment

[Allison Mankin <[e-mail]>]

Another +1 to Alia's excellent message


On 22 March 2015 at 15:32, Melinda Shore <[e-mail]> wrote:

> YES.  Thank you.
> On Mar 22, 2015 8:58 AM, "Alia Atlas" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Would it be possible for everyone posting about this draft to
>> consider - for even just a day - that he or she might in fact
>> be the SUBJECT of the harassment - instead of trying to
>> figure out how to game the system assuming that he is
>> an unrepentant respondent.
>>
>> While the joke goes that "true friends help you bury the body",
>> I earnestly hope that we aren't trying to figure out how people
>> can successfully accomplish manslaughter and not have it
>> raise to the level of murder - nor pretending that the SUBJECT
>> of the harassment isn't the one wrongfully impacted.
>>
>> For once, consider that if you don't know anyone who has been
>> harassed (not necessarily at the IETF) and have not been
>> harassed - then (a) you PROBABLY aren't listening or asking
>> the right questions and (b) you aren't the focus of why this needs
>> to be handled.
>>
>> If your concern is that you might obliviously misstep and be called
>> out on it - then yes - you may - and you may actually need to think
>> about it beforehand or learn from it afterwards.  Welcome to life.
>>
>> To quote another stereotyped saying:  "Women are afraid of being
>> physically hurt.  Men are afraid of being embarrassed."  Enough
>> already!  I'm already embarrassed for you and your lack of perspective.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alia
>>
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