Re: What's an experiment?

Joe Baptista <baptista@cynikal.net> Thu, 16 February 2006 13:18 UTC

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Subject: Re: What's an experiment?
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JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:

> Dear Brian,
> ICANN ICP-3 document called for a DNS test-bed to carry experiments in 
> a given framework (to test various DNS evolutions including the end of 
> the root). The document lists interesting criteria/conditions. Some 
> are related to the DNS (non profit, ultimate agreement by the 
> community). Of the head two are important: reversibility and no harm 
> to the current operations. The "non profit" can be generailised: if a 
> community effort is carried to commonly consider an evolution, every 
> option should be considered and equally supported. Experiments must 
> not be a way to impose personnal or affinity group doctrines and DoE 
> (Denial of Evolution). Reversibility would also mean the result cannot 
> be published as BCP. It may reflect the practice of a group. But it 
> would not be acceptable to impose it to non participants as there is 
> no proof it would scale - before the experience convers the whole 
> network. This means that experience may be a way to deploy or to 
> transition. Should the IETF has started a large scale IPv6 
> experimentation, may be would we have IPv6 by competition to the RIRs. 
> This has been considered.
> jfc

Thats happening regardless of the IETF - www.public-root.com, 
www.inaic.com and www.unifiedroot.com.  Failed experiments result in 
successful evolution.

regards
joe

>
>
> At 16:06 15/02/2006, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>
>> When considering some recent appeals, the IESG discovered that
>> we have very little guidance about the meaning of "experiments"
>> in relation to Experimental RFCs. RFC 2026 refers to work which
>> is "part of some research or development effort" and the IESG
>> has adopted some guidelines to discriminate between Experimental
>> and Informational documents (see
>> http://www.ietf.org/u/ietfchair/draft-iesg-info-exp-01.html ).
>> But beyond that, we do not know what constitutes an acceptable
>> experiment on the Internet.
>>
>> The IESG notes that the community could establish a variety of
>> guidelines describing what is and is not acceptable in experiments.
>> Historically, the IESG has made decisions based on its perception
>> that there is a strong desire in the community to publish technology
>> that is being deployed experimentally.  We encourage community 
>> discussion
>> and development of more specific guidelines on operational conflicts
>> caused by experiments and how this should affect what we choose to
>> publish.  (However we recommend that such discussion
>> focus on the general issue rather than the specifics of any case.)
>>
>>   Brian Carpenter
>>   for the IESG
>>
>>
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