Re: What's an experiment?
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Subject: Re: What's an experiment?
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JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: > Dear Brian, > ICANN ICP-3 document called for a DNS test-bed to carry experiments in > a given framework (to test various DNS evolutions including the end of > the root). The document lists interesting criteria/conditions. Some > are related to the DNS (non profit, ultimate agreement by the > community). Of the head two are important: reversibility and no harm > to the current operations. The "non profit" can be generailised: if a > community effort is carried to commonly consider an evolution, every > option should be considered and equally supported. Experiments must > not be a way to impose personnal or affinity group doctrines and DoE > (Denial of Evolution). Reversibility would also mean the result cannot > be published as BCP. It may reflect the practice of a group. But it > would not be acceptable to impose it to non participants as there is > no proof it would scale - before the experience convers the whole > network. This means that experience may be a way to deploy or to > transition. Should the IETF has started a large scale IPv6 > experimentation, may be would we have IPv6 by competition to the RIRs. > This has been considered. > jfc Thats happening regardless of the IETF - www.public-root.com, www.inaic.com and www.unifiedroot.com. Failed experiments result in successful evolution. regards joe > > > At 16:06 15/02/2006, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> When considering some recent appeals, the IESG discovered that >> we have very little guidance about the meaning of "experiments" >> in relation to Experimental RFCs. RFC 2026 refers to work which >> is "part of some research or development effort" and the IESG >> has adopted some guidelines to discriminate between Experimental >> and Informational documents (see >> http://www.ietf.org/u/ietfchair/draft-iesg-info-exp-01.html ). >> But beyond that, we do not know what constitutes an acceptable >> experiment on the Internet. >> >> The IESG notes that the community could establish a variety of >> guidelines describing what is and is not acceptable in experiments. >> Historically, the IESG has made decisions based on its perception >> that there is a strong desire in the community to publish technology >> that is being deployed experimentally. We encourage community >> discussion >> and development of more specific guidelines on operational conflicts >> caused by experiments and how this should affect what we choose to >> publish. (However we recommend that such discussion >> focus on the general issue rather than the specifics of any case.) >> >> Brian Carpenter >> for the IESG >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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- Re: What's an experiment? JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: What's an experiment? Joe Touch
- RE: What's an experiment? Christian Huitema
- Re: What's an experiment? Eric A. Hall
- Re: What's an experiment? Eliot Lear
- Re: What's an experiment? Joe Baptista
- RE: What's an experiment? Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: What's an experiment? Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: What's an experiment? Eliot Lear
- Re: What's an experiment? Frank Ellermann
- Re: What's an experiment? Andrew Newton
- Re: What's an experiment? JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: What's an experiment? Frank Ellermann
- RE: What's an experiment? Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: What's an experiment? Eliot Lear
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