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Re: [Ila] [5gangip] PS draft: New Version Notification for draft-hspab-5gangip-atticps-00.txt

Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net> Thu, 01 February 2018 00:16 UTC

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From: Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 16:16:12 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Ila] [5gangip] PS draft: New Version Notification for draft-hspab-5gangip-atticps-00.txt
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On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:05 PM, Ca By <cb.list6@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:01 PM Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 2:25 PM Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > Tom, this is why addresses need to be obfuscated. And you can’t do that
>> > with address translation/transformation. I’m a fan of ILA, but the IPv6
>> > header must be sent in the clear, and that is problematic for this issue.
>> >
>> > Dino
>> >
>> > And again, i really have no idea on what problem Tom and Dino are trying
>> > solve that they think a mobile operator would want to implement.
>>
>> I’m trying to solve for the general case. And if possible, then 5G could
>> benefit regardless if anyone thinks it is needed or not.
>>
>> > I see Tom and Dino jockeying their solutions, but they are not solutions
>> > to problems that network operators have articulated.
>>
>> We both are trying to make both solutions better.
>>
>> > I believe at one point this listed agreed to produce requirements but
>> > then quickly decided it was better to have secret group (design team?) write
>> > a white paper about  id / loc.
>>
>> Note the ila@ietf.org mailing list is copied.
>>
>> > IMHO id / loc has zero traction in mobile , it is not present in any of
>> > the well publicized “5G” deployments that are currently going on.
>>
>> Then you can ignore us. But many of us want to think out loud freely and
>> learn from each other.
>>
>> > Just $0.02 about the echo chamber we are in.
>>
>> You will have to use your email filters then.
>>
>> Dino
>
>
> Ack.  Just contributing to the archive that 2 protocol wonks doting on their
> own creations is not a working group or 5G.
>
Ca,

3GPP CT4 working group has initiated a study of user plane protocol in
5GC for Release-16. Our intent is for ILA to be a candidate for that
study.

Tom

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