Re: [Int-area] Middleboxes to aid the deployment of MPTCP

Olivier Bonaventure <olivier.bonaventure@tessares.net> Wed, 19 July 2017 07:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Middleboxes to aid the deployment of MPTCP
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Joe,

>>> Although I'm not averse to middleboxes as optional optimizations, I find
>>> the proposed mechanisms aren't quite optional -- they inject option
>>> information into the SYN data. That information would poison a
>>> connection to a legacy receiver if (more to the point, when) that info
>>> isn't removed by a proxy upstream of the receiver.
>>
>> This paragraph refers to earlier documents discussed in the MPTCP
>> working group. The new design does not inject option information into
>> the SYN data. It works like an application layer protocol that sends 
>> messages
>> in the SYN by using the TFO option. There is no risk of poisoning.
> 
> OK, in that case:
> - I'm still not averse to middleboxes that accelerate or enhance TCP

We agree

> - IMO, TCP always needs to be able to fall back (which should be true now)

This is not a concern with the proposed design

> - but I remain concerned with "injection piggybacking"

To which section of the draft are you referring to ?


Olivier

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