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Re: [Int-area] Middleboxes to aid the deployment of MPTCP

<mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> Thu, 20 July 2017 15:40 UTC

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From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
To: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
CC: Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu>, Olivier Bonaventure <olivier.bonaventure@tessares.net>, Internet Area <int-area@ietf.org>, "tsv-area@ietf.org" <tsv-area@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Middleboxes to aid the deployment of MPTCP
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Good suggestion, Tom.

Thanks.

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Tom Herbert [mailto:tom@herbertland.com]
> Envoyé : jeudi 20 juillet 2017 17:39
> À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed IMT/OLN
> Cc : Joe Touch; Olivier Bonaventure; Internet Area; tsv-area@ietf.org
> Objet : Re: [Int-area] Middleboxes to aid the deployment of MPTCP
> 
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:26 AM,  <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote:
> > Re-,
> >
> > Please see inline.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Med
> >
> >> -----Message d'origine-----
> >> De : Joe Touch [mailto:touch@isi.edu]
> >> Envoyé : jeudi 20 juillet 2017 16:37
> >> À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed IMT/OLN; Olivier Bonaventure; Internet Area; tsv-
> >> area@ietf.org
> >> Objet : Re: [Int-area] Middleboxes to aid the deployment of MPTCP
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/19/2017 10:39 PM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote:
> >> > Hi Joe,
> >> >
> >> > The text can always be worked out. This is not an IETF LC :)
> >> Agreed - I was explaining that the current text - and many of the
> >> responses in this chain, both from you and others, continues to be
> >> confusing.
> >>
> > [Med] Calling out those confusing points would help.
> >
> >> > The main point is that we are following your suggestion to define the
> >> solution as an application proxy using a dedicated port number.
> >> As feedback for the doc, that could be made more explicit, including in
> >> the title (this is an application proxy, not typically referred to as
> >> middleboxes).
> >>
> >
> > [Med] Looks like a good idea to me.
> >
> That use of the term middleboxes as opposed to proxy was also
> confusing to me. I'd also suggest not to call this a netwotk function,
> that has other connotations that don't apply here.
> 
> Tom
> 
> >> That also includes limiting the doc to using TCP app-layer APIs and
> >> describing any behavior that *might* happen at the segment level as
> just
> >> that - hypothetical, perhaps desired, but NOT the mechanism being
> >> proposed.
> >>
> >> FWIW.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >
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