Re: [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications
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From: tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>
To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, Andy Smith <ajsphila@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications
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From: Int-area <int-area-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> Sent: 23 September 2020 15:02 In another century, DECnet phase 4 was also changing the MAC address (and if not mistaken IBM SNA also) but flipping the universal/local bit of the MAC address <tp> Not so much SNA as token ring which almost always used configured local addresses (which made management so much easier). SNA did not care much about layer 2 as long as it was fast and reliable. SNA over DIX Ethernet or over 802.3 I would expect to see using universal (burnt-in) addresses. Tom Petch -éric From: Int-area <int-area-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, 23 September 2020 at 12:38 To: Andy Smith <ajsphila@gmail.com> Cc: "int-area@ietf.org" <int-area@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications So I am curious, and probably out of touch. MAC addresses are supposed to be unique hardware device addresses that ultimately come from a registry administered by IEEE and are supposed to be allocated exactly once to one hardware entity. Is MAC address randomisation something that IEEE approve of, in which case how does the registry work, or are we at risk of working on a problem that results in an interSDO dispute? - Stewart On 22 Sep 2020, at 21:22, Andy Smith <ajsphila@gmail.com<mailto:ajsphila@gmail.com>> wrote: Yiu- I’d like to help here. Is the problem that residential devices can’t be reliably tracked for purposes of policy enforcement? Or is it an IP address depletion issue? I noticed iOS 14 does allow for disabling of random MAC addresses. Andy Sent with emacs for iOS On Sep 22, 2020, at 15:50, Lee, Yiu <Yiu_Lee@comcast.com<mailto:Yiu_Lee@comcast.com>> wrote: Hi team, We proposed a BoF. The agenda is in https://github.com/jlivingood/IETF109BoF/blob/master/109-Agenda.md and the proposal is in https://github.com/jlivingood/IETF109BoF/blob/master/BoF-Proposal-20200918.md. You can also find the draft here https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-randomized-macaddr-ps-01. At this stage, we are looking for inputs for more use cases and interests of working together in this domain. Please post your comments in the mailing list. Thanks _______________________________________________ Int-area mailing list Int-area@ietf.org<mailto:Int-area@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area _______________________________________________ Int-area mailing list Int-area@ietf.org<mailto:Int-area@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area
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