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Re: [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

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From: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, Andy Smith <ajsphila@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications
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In another century, DECnet phase 4 was also changing the MAC address (and if not mistaken IBM SNA also) but flipping the universal/local bit of the MAC address

-éric

From: Int-area <int-area-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, 23 September 2020 at 12:38
To: Andy Smith <ajsphila@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

So I am curious, and probably out of touch.

MAC addresses are supposed to be unique hardware device addresses  that ultimately come from a registry administered by IEEE and are supposed to be allocated exactly once to one hardware entity.

Is MAC address randomisation something that IEEE approve of, in which case how does the registry work, or are we at risk of working on a problem that results in an interSDO dispute?

- Stewart




On 22 Sep 2020, at 21:22, Andy Smith <ajsphila@gmail.com<mailto:ajsphila@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yiu-

I’d like to help here.   Is the problem that residential devices can’t be reliably tracked for purposes of policy enforcement?     Or is it an IP address depletion issue?

I noticed iOS 14 does allow for disabling of random MAC addresses.

Andy


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On Sep 22, 2020, at 15:50, Lee, Yiu <Yiu_Lee@comcast.com<mailto:Yiu_Lee@comcast.com>> wrote:
Hi team,

We proposed a BoF. The agenda is in https://github.com/jlivingood/IETF109BoF/blob/master/109-Agenda.md and the proposal is in https://github.com/jlivingood/IETF109BoF/blob/master/BoF-Proposal-20200918.md. You can also find the draft here https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-randomized-macaddr-ps-01.

At this stage, we are looking for inputs for more use cases and interests of working together in this domain. Please post your comments in the mailing list.

Thanks


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