Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-devices scope
Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Mon, 15 March 2021 22:14 UTC
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 18:13:59 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-devices scope
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To my sense, the Internet of things is quite broad, and must include severely constrained devices such as remote sensors, trackers and actuators, less constrained devices such as home devices (consider smart TVs and thermostats), and unconstrained devices such as home gateways and cloud services that support the system. I consider parts of the infrastructure such as my calendar to constitute part of the system, coordinating activities and helping to schedule events. Amazon Alexa and that ilk of devices count as well, and aren’t very constrained. Given that, my answer is “yes”: we need to look at IoT holistically, and shouldn’t artificially say that we only look at issues involving constrained devices. Barry On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:56 PM Chakrabarti, Samita <samita.chakrabarti= 40verizon.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > Hello All: > > In pre-IETF IOT-DIRECTORATE meeting, Ted Lemon has pointed to two > documents regarding connecting the Thread Mesh networks to the traditional > IP Infrastructure: > 1) (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lemon-stub-networks-ps/) - > Problem Statement > 2) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lemon-stub-networks/ - > A possible solution > > IoT-Directorate co-chairs and the responsible ADs would like to discuss if > it makes sense to extend the IOT-Directorate charter towards less > constrained devices such as some of the home devices considered as 'things'. > > The charter of the directorate says : ( > https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/iotdir/about/) > > "The Internet of Things (IoT) refers to devices, that are often > constrained in communication and computation capabilities, now becoming > more commonly connected to the Internet, and various services that are > built on top of the capabilities these devices jointly provide. It is > expected that this development will usher in more machine-to-machine > communication using the Internet with no human user actively involved." > > Should IoT-Directorate members consider Thread Mesh stub networks as one > of topics under IOT-DIR scope of discussion or part of IoT work? > > Thanks, > > -Samita > > > > -- > Iot-directorate mailing list > Iot-directorate@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iot-directorate >
- [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-devices sc… Chakrabarti, Samita
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Schooler, Eve M
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… dominique.barthel
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Emmanuel Baccelli
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Bruce Nordman
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Bruce Nordman
- Re: [Iot-directorate] Question on IETF IOT-device… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Iot-directorate] [E] RE: Question on IETF IO… Chakrabarti, Samita
- Re: [Iot-directorate] [E] Re: Question on IETF IO… Chakrabarti, Samita
- Re: [Iot-directorate] [E] RE: Question on IETF IO… Chakrabarti, Samita
- Re: [Iot-directorate] [E] Re: Question on IETF IO… Chakrabarti, Samita
- Re: [Iot-directorate] [E] Re: Question on IETF IO… Chakrabarti, Samita