RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG termination
Michael Krause <krause@cup.hp.com> Tue, 30 August 2005 17:04 UTC
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Subject: RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG termination
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Am I missing something here? I don't recall ever having to tell everyone to unarp when I migrate an IP address from one NIC to another. The network stack issues the new address and remote endnodes note the change. I don't recall ever having to tell everyone when I migrate a MAC address from one NIC to another. Why is IB any different in this regard for either of these cases? The layer 2 address which includes all of the parameters subject to change is updated and the remote endnodes note the change. What is so hard about that? Mike At 11:40 PM 8/29/2005, Vivek Kashyap wrote: >On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Yaron Haviv wrote: > >>IB availability is defined today and one can migrate between ports and >>given the use of UD, can easily migrate between HCA either completely or >>relatively transparent to the network stack using the IB methods or the >>same IP address update using the same methods deployed today on all OS >>offerings. In the end, it really is an implementation issue and fixing >>the OpenSM implementations not an IETF issue to resolve any >>deficiencies. >> >>Mike >> >><Yaron> >> >>Mike, the solution that may work over IB is sending gratuitous ARPs >> >>This doesn't cover all the cases, e.g. how would VRRP or MAC faking work >>over IB ? >> >> >> >>By nature an IPoIB endpoint also contains QPs, so even theoretically an >>SM cannot deal with the problem > >Am I right in assuming that you are suggesting LID + QPN + GID failover? >LID is certainly beyond IPoIB. QPN + GID are in the ambit. > >Vivek > >>If we want to address interoperability between different vendors I >>believe we need to address it through standardization >> >> >> >>If you believe there is a solution that addresses my concerns and can be >>done in a standard/interoperable way please let me know >> >> >> >>Yaron >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: ipoverib-bounces@ietf.org [ mailto:ipoverib-bounces@ietf.org >><mailto:ipoverib-bounces@ietf.org> ] On >>>Behalf Of H.K. Jerry Chu >>>Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 1:38 PM >>>To: ipoverib@ietf.org >>>Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; Bill_Strahm@McAfee.com >>>Subject: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG termination >>> >>>Hi folks, >>> >>>With the DHCP over IB draft in IESG's hand, we are done with all >>>the basic IPoIB work, including the architecture (informational), >>>encapsulation, and DHCP (standard tracked). Now seems a good time >>>to decide the next step for the WG. >>> >>>The work on IPoIB connected mode and most of the MIB drafts started >>>a while back (2003/2002). Over the years the interest/participation >>>level on these work has not been high, and now the work seems to drag >>>on indefinitely. The AD has recently questioned whether the remaining >>>work should be continued or not. >>> >>>The following is a quick update on their status: >>> >>>1. IPoIB connected mode >>>draft-ietf-ipoib-connected-mode-00.txt >>>updated recently >>> >>>2. MIB drafts >>>IPoIB Textual Conventions MIB >>>draft-ietf-ipoib-ibmib-tc-mib-06.txt >>> >>>IPoIB InfiniBand Interfaces MIB >>>draft-ietf-ipoib-ibif-mib-07.txt >>> >>>IPoIB subnet Management Agent MIB >>>draft-ietf-ipoib-subnet-mgmt-agent-mib-07.txt >>> >>>IPoIB Channel Adapter MIB >>>draft-ietf-ipoib-channel-adapter-mib-06.txt >>> >>>IPoIB Baseboard Management Agent MIB >>>draft-ietf-ipoib-baseboard-mgmt-agent-mib-02.txt >>> >>>IPoIB performance Management Agent MIB >>>draft-ietf-ipoib-perf-mgmt-agent-mib-03.txt >>> >>>The above 6 MIB drafts have gone through the >>>MIB doctor (Randy Presuhn) review late 2003 and >>>updated accordingly. All the updated drafts expired >>>in April 2005. >>> >>>3. IPoIB Subnet Manager MIB >>>draft-ietf-ipoib-subnet-manager-mib-00.txt >>> >>>Submitted 3/2004 but has expired too. >>> >>>If you want to see any of the above work continue in the WG, >>>AND is willing to participate to get the work completed, please >>>speak up NOW! You will have until Sep. 20 to do so. After >>>that unless there is evidence a "sufficient" interest level >>>on any of the work above still exists, the WG will be disbanded >>>(or become dormant in order to handle the on-going work on >>>the standard-tracked RFCs) and the unfinished work abandoned. >>> >>>Note that authors of the above drafts may choose to resubmit >>>their drafts as individual submissions if they want to continue >>>to pursue their work at IETF. >>> >>>Thank you! >>> >>>Jerry & Bill >>> >>>IPoIB co-chairs >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>IPoverIB mailing list >>>IPoverIB@ietf.org >>>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipoverib >> >>_______________________________________________ >>IPoverIB mailing list >>IPoverIB@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipoverib >>
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- [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG termination H.K. Jerry Chu
- Re: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Michael Krause
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Yaron Haviv
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… H.K. Jerry Chu
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Michael Krause
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Yaron Haviv
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Yaron Haviv
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Carl Hensler
- Re: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Vivek Kashyap
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Vivek Kashyap
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Yaron Haviv
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Dror Goldenberg
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Michael Krause
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Michael Krause
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Yaron Haviv
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Bernard King-Smith
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Michael Krause
- Re: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Vivek Kashyap
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… H.K. Jerry Chu
- Re: FW: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG term… Eitan Zahavi
- Re: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Roland Dreier
- Re: FW: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG term… H.K. Jerry Chu
- RE: FW: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG term… Sean Harnedy
- RE: FW: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG term… H.K. Jerry Chu
- RE: FW: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG term… bill
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Michael Krause
- Re: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Michael Krause
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Bernard King-Smith
- Re: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Vivek Kashyap
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Vivek Kashyap
- Why is MTU an issue? (RE: [Ipoverib] Please read … Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Ecosystems cost of additional specs (RE: [Ipoveri… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Why is MTU an issue? (RE: [Ipoverib] Please r… Mark Townsley
- Re: FW: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG term… Eitan Zahavi
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Dror Goldenberg
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Dror Goldenberg
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Michael Krause
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Michael Krause
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Dror Goldenberg
- RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG terminat… Michael Krause