RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG termination

Carl Hensler <Carl.Hensler@eng.sun.com> Tue, 30 August 2005 04:42 UTC

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From: Carl Hensler <Carl.Hensler@eng.sun.com>
Subject: RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG termination
To: Jerry.Chu@eng.sun.com, ipoverib@ietf.org, yaronh@voltaire.com
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The IETF process is so unwieldy that I think we should just let
the WG terminate.  I think further IB standardization should take 
place in IBTA or OpenIB, where people actually care about IB.

Carl

> Subject: RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG termination
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:02:51 +0300
> Thread-Topic: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG termination
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> Jerry,
> 
> I believe there is one issue that deserves further attention
> Which is delivering highly available IPoIB solutions 
> 
> In traditional GbE MAC faking techniques can be used to fail over
> between hosts or between routers (e.g. VRRP)
> Unfortunately this is not applicable to IPoIB (given the IB routing & SA
> structure)
> 
> Going into more commercial/enterprise environments this becomes a real
> necessity, today some vendors (including us) use proprietary solutions
> however a standard approach is required 
> 
> I proposed few directions in the pass to address the problem, e.g. using
> UNARP (like Sonet does) or using the SA/SM 
> 
> Yaron
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ipoverib-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipoverib-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > Behalf Of H.K. Jerry Chu
> > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 1:38 PM
> > To: ipoverib@ietf.org
> > Cc: margaret@thingmagic.com; Bill_Strahm@McAfee.com
> > Subject: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG termination
> > 
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > With the DHCP over IB draft in IESG's hand, we are done with all
> > the basic IPoIB work, including the architecture (informational),
> > encapsulation, and DHCP (standard tracked). Now seems a good time
> > to decide the next step for the WG.
> > 
> > The work on IPoIB connected mode and most of the MIB drafts started
> > a while back (2003/2002). Over the years the interest/participation
> > level on these work has not been high, and now the work seems to drag
> > on indefinitely. The AD has recently questioned whether the remaining
> > work should be continued or not.
> > 
> > The following is a quick update on their status:
> > 
> > 1. IPoIB connected mode
> > draft-ietf-ipoib-connected-mode-00.txt
> > updated recently
> > 
> > 2. MIB drafts
> > IPoIB Textual Conventions MIB
> > draft-ietf-ipoib-ibmib-tc-mib-06.txt
> > 
> > IPoIB InfiniBand Interfaces MIB
> > draft-ietf-ipoib-ibif-mib-07.txt
> > 
> > IPoIB subnet Management Agent MIB
> > draft-ietf-ipoib-subnet-mgmt-agent-mib-07.txt
> > 
> > IPoIB Channel Adapter MIB
> > draft-ietf-ipoib-channel-adapter-mib-06.txt
> > 
> > IPoIB Baseboard Management Agent MIB
> > draft-ietf-ipoib-baseboard-mgmt-agent-mib-02.txt
> > 
> > IPoIB performance Management Agent MIB
> > draft-ietf-ipoib-perf-mgmt-agent-mib-03.txt
> > 
> > The above 6 MIB drafts have gone through the
> > MIB doctor (Randy Presuhn) review late 2003 and
> > updated accordingly. All the updated drafts expired
> > in April 2005.
> > 
> > 3. IPoIB Subnet Manager MIB
> > draft-ietf-ipoib-subnet-manager-mib-00.txt
> > 
> > Submitted 3/2004 but has expired too.
> > 
> > If you want to see any of the above work continue in the WG,
> > AND is willing to participate to get the work completed, please
> > speak up NOW! You will have until Sep. 20 to do so. After
> > that unless there is evidence a "sufficient" interest level
> > on any of the work above still exists, the WG will be disbanded
> > (or become dormant in order to handle the on-going work on
> > the standard-tracked RFCs) and the unfinished work abandoned.
> > 
> > Note that authors of the above drafts may choose to resubmit
> > their drafts as individual submissions if they want to continue
> > to pursue their work at IETF.
> > 
> > Thank you!
> > 
> > Jerry & Bill
> > 
> > IPoIB co-chairs
> > 
> > 
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