Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long?

James R Cutler <james.cutler@consultant.com> Sun, 09 June 2019 15:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long?
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2019 11:54:09 -0400
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Cc: Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com>, 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org>
To: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
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> On Jun 9, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:
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> All your concerns are duly noted.
> 
> As far as changing the prefix length I understand that with IPV6 it seems and maybe true that IPv6 exhaustion is not possible but that is what we said about IPv4 but that does not give reason to be wasteful.  I believe 64 bits iid is wasteful.
> 
From many views, I must agree with you about “wasteful”.

Where we part company is that the costs involved in changing away from 64 bits is more wasteful than your proposal. The especially applies to time (labor) costs, both for new RFPs, design and prototyping, and deployment costs. It has take around two decades to get this far with IPv6. Adding yet another detour to this journey is not an improvement.

James R. Cutler
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