Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long?
James R Cutler <james.cutler@consultant.com> Sat, 08 June 2019 17:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long?
From: James R Cutler <james.cutler@consultant.com>
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Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 13:02:36 -0400
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> On Jun 8, 2019, at 12:28 PM, Philip Homburg <pch-ipv6-ietf-6@u-1.phicoh.com> wrote: > >> The RFC 4291 IPv6 addressing and the original stance on 64bit boundary was bas >> ed on the EUI64 format for the Mac generated FFFE bit stiff between the 3rd an >> d 4th octet of the station id or random station id. >> >> I agree that a 64bit station id was overkill and was made 20 years ago thinkin >> g futuristically that every physical device you can think of would have an IP >> but now in reality large in my opinion that would never be used and really was >> ted valuable bits on a station Id that could have been used more wisely to exp >> and the prefix length. > > With SLAAC, EUI64 has to some extent been replaced with pseudo-random > numbers. > > For that to work, the number of bits needs to be sufficient to avoid > collisions. The exact number of bits you need depends on the number of > addresses on a subnet and how much you care about the damage done by > collisions. > > The problem is that we know that a 64 bit pseudo-random number is safe, > but there is no sensible way to set a lower bound. There certainly is > no consensus on a lower bound. > > At the same time, we are not running out /64 prefixes. We have prefix > allocation problem. We have enough /64s to give every virtual subnet its > own /64. > > So the obvious thing to do is to leave the 64 bit boundary in place for SLAAC. > > If you really need longer prefixes, then just use static configuration or > DHCPv6. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > —————————————————————————————————— I have difficulty considering the use of a 64 bit as a “waste" because it: 1. Has not been shown to create a resource shortage in the foreseeable future. 2. It is a “safe” size for a pseudo-random space as far as we know. 3. As Philip Homburg stated, we have no proof for a minimum size space. I consider the effort and confusion involved in modification away from 64 bit Station IDs to be a waste (SLAAC, anyone?). I would rather see the effort put into better solutions security problems, including name to address resolution and routing.
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