Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long?
Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> Sun, 09 June 2019 03:20 UTC
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From: Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2019 13:20:20 +1000
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Subject: Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long?
To: "Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
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Hi Fred, On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 at 03:44, Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote: > > Hi, we all know about the tussle regarding the /64 boundary for IPv6 prefixes but > > assuming that we will one day want to allow longer prefixes the question is “how long”? > > > <snip> > > > Because of RFC7934, we see the value of Host Address Availability Recommendations. > > It makes the point that, due to the nature of multi-addressing supported by IPv6, it > > would be useful for each node to be able to configure multiple (perhaps even many) > > IPv6 addresses from an IPv6 prefix. But, “how many”? > > > > My assertion is that a multi-addressed host (or, an End User Network router) should > > support numbering for at least 1K IPv6 addresses. This would imply that (assuming > > at some point the /64 boundary is relaxed) the longest IPv6 prefix should be a /118. > > I think we really need to work out what a host is first. Is it the physical device? Virtual hosts within a physical device? Individual applications? Threads or processes within applications? "On Many Addresses per Host", S. Bellovin https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1681 "Transient Addressing for Related Processes: Improved Firewalling by Using IPV6 and Multiple Addresses per Host", Peter M. Gleitz, Steven M. Bellovin https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/papers/tarp/tarp.html "node" is probably better to use to describe a network attached entity that needs one or more addresses to be able to send or receive packets. The number of addresses a node needs depends on what it is, what it is doing and how it is going to use its addresses. In some cases 1K would be excessive for a node, for others it could be far too little. As others have said, there can be other properties of addresses, such as privacy, security, and plug-and-play operation. As an example, the choice in 1980 of 48 bit Ethernet addresses, rather than just 10 bit addresses as originally required to suit a maximum of 1024 nodes on a link, has paid off immensely for nearly 40 years. "Too many" addresses for a node, to the point where the unit of allocation starts to cost something where the cost is worth worrying about, is a much better answer than not enough. I'd say that cost threshold is at /64 today (e.g. RFC 8273, "Unique IPv6 Prefix per Host"), also placing value on it being the minimum link allocation convention we've had for more than 20 years (since RFC 2373), and that there is more than approximately 3/4 of the total IPv6 address space unallocated for any purpose at all. Regards, Mark. > > Thoughts? > > > > Fred > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > --------------------------------------------------------------------
- IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Fred Baker
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Michael Richardson
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Michael Richardson
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Nick Hilliard
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Michael Richardson
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? David Farmer
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Gyan Mishra
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Philip Homburg
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? James R Cutler
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Mark Smith
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Mark Smith
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Gyan Mishra
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? James R Cutler
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Mark Smith
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Gyan Mishra
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Gyan Mishra
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Gyan Mishra
- RE: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Yucel Guven
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? David Farmer
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Mark Smith
- RE: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Mark Smith
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Fred Baker
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Gyan Mishra
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Gyan Mishra
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Mark Smith
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Mudric, Dusan (Dusan)
- Re: IPv6 prefix lengths - how long? Gyan Mishra