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Re: Next steps for rfc6874bis

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Mon, 16 August 2021 16:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: Next steps for rfc6874bis
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 09:37:40 -0700
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All good comments, but as Brian noted earlier, the only thing that really matters here is what the web browsers implementors/vendors are willing to do.   Producing a document that they ignore isn’t useful.

Bob


> On Aug 16, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Philip Homburg <pch-ipv6-ietf-7@u-1.phicoh.com> wrote:
> 
> In your letter dated Mon, 16 Aug 2021 17:13:10 +0100 you wrote:
>> Given the IETF's general reluctance to deprecate standards, the most
>> likely outcome of this suggestion would be that both "%" and "-" would
>> need to be supported indefinitely.  This would be a regression.
> 
> I disagree. Yes, mistakes result in cruft. But that is not a good reason
> to continue with the mistake.
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