Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Tue, 03 March 2020 00:10 UTC
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 16:09:58 -0800
To: Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>, ipv6@ietf.org
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
Subject: Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
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Hi Fernando, [Discussion moved to 6man) At 10:01 AM 02-03-2020, Fernando Gont wrote: >That's a comment on a future decision, not a decision that can be acted upon. > >Simple: what would have happened if Suresh had changed his mind, and >"verified" the erratum? -- You'd have a spring document that you >claimed to have wg consensus based on an incorrect assumption. > >i.e., the consensus outcome was sent based on an *assumption*, not >on a decision. I was reminded of the following on reading the SPRING discussions: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spfbis/VbT1OuHTouS9GrVR934EwOnzp64/ The points which you raised (please see quoted text) can be go both ways, i.e. favorably or unfavorably if it has to be considered formally. I would rate the erratum as "minor" within the context of the dispute. The rationale for that is that: (a) The decisions are distinct from each other. A decision in 6MAN does, from a procedural perspective, cannot be used in a SPRING process discussion. (b) An erratum in an "approved" state does not reflect IETF Consensus. There is a message [1] from Mr Klensin about that. Please see the message at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/_gG2foiugk5B7w3TpnPvBbjHDzs/ I would argue, from a process perspective, that the intent of the text under dispute should be read in that light. Regards, S. Moonesamy 1. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/r1WnAemu12WcdT7VoFpPUI3j6pk/
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