Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Tue, 03 March 2020 22:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
To: bruno.decraene@orange.com, Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>, Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>, "spring@ietf.org" <spring@ietf.org>
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On 3/3/20 12:49, bruno.decraene@orange.com wrote: > Fernando > >> From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fernando Gont >> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:23 PM >> To: Martin Vigoureux; spring@ietf.org >> Cc: 6man@ietf.org; 'ietf@ietf.org'; draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming >> Subject: Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming >> >> Martin, >> >> As an Area Director, what are your thoughts regarding Bruno's claim that >> this working group (Spring) doesn't have the necessary skills for >> evaluating the need of a functionality (PSP) that this wg is including >> in draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming? >> >> Specifically, Bruno has noted (in >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/or8086G4iYfee5_Icw4PnhkPLBo/): >> >> ---- cut here ---- >> Independently of RFC 8200, the question has been raised with regards to >> the benefit of PSP. >> My take is that PSP is an optional data plane optimization. Judging its >> level of usefulness is very hardware and implementation dependent. It >> may range anywhere from "not needed" to "required for my platform" >> (deployed if you are network operator, or been sold if you are a >> vendor), with possible intermediate points along "n% packet processing >> gain", or "required when combined with a specific other feature". I >> don't think that the SPRING WG can really evaluate this point (lack of >> hardware knowledge, lack of detailed information on the hardwares). >> ---- cut here ---- >> >> >> Doesn't this sound a bit like a group is shipping something that it >> cannot really understand? > > > There have been replied and statement from the WG. E.g. From Dan (network operator) & Jingrong (vendor). > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/ErcErN39RIlzkL5SKNVAeEWpnAI/ The motivation should be in the draft, not in the mail archive. And you declared consensus on a document that does not include such motivation. > > My comment is that a statement such as "(1) reduce the load of final destination.", while true in general, is difficult to evaluate, e.g. in term of packet processing gain, or NPU processing resource gain. > One can say "not on my hardware", but nobody can say "not in your hardware". > > And I think that this is along Joel reply (although I would not want to speak for Joel) > "Do you have any comments on what appears to be the significant increase > in complexity on the device performing PSP? The question I am trying to > get at is about the tradeoff, which needs one to evaluate both sides." > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/CMSX7ijacRdG8qHlla61ylJNggo/ You have to justify the included behavior, not the other way around: Thanks, -- Fernando Gont SI6 Networks e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492
- WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming bruno.decraene
- RE: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-program… Ron Bonica
- Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-program… li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com
- RE: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Andrew Alston
- Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-program… Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Andrew Alston
- Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-program… Fernando Gont
- Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-program… Warren Kumari
- RE: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-program… bruno.decraene
- RE: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-program… bruno.decraene
- Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-program… Fernando Gont
- Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-program… Joel M. Halpern
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- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Robert Raszuk
- RE: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
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- Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-program… Fernando Gont
- Re: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-program… Fernando Gont
- RE: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-program… bruno.decraene
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- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Fernando Gont
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- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… Fernando Gont
- RE: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… bruno.decraene
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- Re: [spring] WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-networ… S Moonesamy
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