Re: Consensus call on adopting <draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-08.txt>

Wojciech Dec <wdec.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 29 October 2010 09:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: Consensus call on adopting <draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-08.txt>
From: Wojciech Dec <wdec.ietf@gmail.com>
To: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net>
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Bob, Brian,

I'd like to push back on this consensus call. I am currently -1 on it.
Questions on the requirements, scope of solution, as well as its present
validity were raised and unanswered, in some cases totally, in others
incompletely or incoherently:

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipv6/current/msg12986.html
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipv6/current/msg12993.html

Summary of the problems:
- Requirements: Unarticulated in terms of why IETF standard track solutions
acceptable in similar deployments are not acceptable in this case.
- Requirements: The Solution attributes to the access node very distinct IP
interface, forwarding and processing capabilities, which was said to be
previously unacceptable
- Critical state and failure modes un-addressed, no smaller in consequence
to the ones that resulted in draft -07 not being accepted.
- ICMPv6 (RS) signalling is being (ab)used for line state signalling. Likely
overlap and conflict with other IETF WGs.

Thanks,
Woj.


On 28 October 2010 22:53, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> The chairs believe there is a consensus to adopt this document as a 6man
> working group document.  The next version will be published as a w.g.
> document.
>
> We also note that there are still open issues that need to be resolved
> before we could start a w.g. last call.
>
> Thanks for all the feedback on this work.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob & Brian
>
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 8:01 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
>
> > Correction:  The consensus call will end on October 28, 2010.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> 6MAN WG,
> >>
> >> This is a consensus call on adopting:
> >>
> >>    Title     : Line identification in IPv6 Router Solicitation
> >>                messages
> >>    Author(s) : S. Krishnan, et al.
> >>    Filename  : draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-08.txt
> >>    Pages     : 9
> >>    Date      : 2010-09-20
> >>
> >>    http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-krishnan-6man-rs-mark-08
> >>
> >> as a 6MAN working group document.  The authors believe this version
> resolves issues raised on the mailing list in the last consensus call.
> >>
> >> Please state your opinion, positive or negative, on the mailing or to
> the chairs.  This consensus call will end on October 18, 2010.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Bob & Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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