Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03>
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 23 March 2018 19:09 UTC
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Subject: Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03>
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On 24/03/2018 00:57, Peter Hessler wrote: > I would be involved with an implementation for OpenBSD. > > Based on my understanding of the point of this draft: > If all RA's set the flag (and we have not yet received an DHCPACK on that > link) we would probably want to turn off dhcpv4 on the interface, not > enable any IPv4 link-local IP, and set sole control over resolv.conf to > slaacd. If any RA sets the flag to 0, or if we have already received an > DHCPACK, then we would continue to use the link for IPv6 and IPv4 as > normal. > > Because we also have a native RA daemon, we would set this option to zero > by default, and include a description in the documenation that an > administrator should not set this if there is IPv4 available on the > link. > > If disabling IPv4 on that link isn't the intention of this draft, I don't > see why we would bother. I'd say the intention is to avoid *pointless* IPv4 traffic and its wastage of air time and battery power, but without preventing useful IPv4 traffic. Brian > > -peter > > > On 2018 Mar 22 (Thu) at 17:37:02 +0000 (+0000), Ole Troan wrote: > :I would love to hear from host implementers. If they would implement support for this flag. > : > :Best regards, > :Ole > : > :> On 22 Mar 2018, at 16:47, Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> wrote: > :> > :> This message starts a two week 6MAN call on adopting: > :> > :> Title : IPv6 Router Advertisement IPv4 Unavailable Flag > :> Authors : R. Hinden, B. Carpenter > :> Filename : draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03 > :> Pages : 9 > :> Date : 2018-03-02 > :> > :> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hinden-ipv4flag/ > :> > :> as a working group item. Substantive comments and statements of support > :> for adopting this document should be directed to the mailing > :> list. Editorial suggestions can be sent to the authors. This adoption > :> call will end on April 5th, 2018. > :> > :> See also the gap analysis from sunset4 on disabling IPv4: > :> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sunset4-gapanalysis-09#section-3 > :> > :> Regards, > :> > :> Ole Trøan > :> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > :> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > :> ipv6@ietf.org > :> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > :> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >
- Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Rob Evans
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> David Schinazi
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Erik Kline
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Roger Jørgensen
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Andy Smith
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Mark Smith
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> David Schinazi
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> David Schinazi
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Peter Hessler
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Bjoern A. Zeeb
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Lee Howard
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Jared Mauch
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Simon Hobson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Simon Hobson
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> David Schinazi
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Simon Hobson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Glen Turner
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Bjoern A. Zeeb
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> t.petch
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Simon Hobson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Bjoern A. Zeeb
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Tim Chown
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Simon Hobson
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Mark Andrews
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Simon Hobson
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Michael Richardson
- Re: DHCPv4 and default routes (Was: Adoption call… Simon Hobson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Nick Hilliard
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Brian E Carpenter
- Re: DHCPv4 and default routes (Was: Adoption call… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-hinden-ipv4flag-03> Bjoern A. Zeeb