Re: [jose] Header criticality -- hidden consensus?

Thanks for the revisions, but the absolute numbers really don't matter.
 The important feature is that nobody voted Yes on 1 and No on 2.

On Friday, February 8, 2013, Mike Jones wrote:

>  FWIW, I believe that John Bradley’s, Ryo Ito’s, and Dick Hardt’s
> responses are also incorrectly tallied below, the caveats on Breno de
> Medeiros’ “B” are missing, and Chuck Mortimore’s response is missing.  I
> believe that their responses were:****
>
> ** **
>
> N       Y       A    Campbell         ****
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> N       Y       A    Bradley         ****
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> N       Y       A    Ito             ****
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> Y       Y       C    Hardt           (Dick changed his answer on 3)****
>
> Y       Y       B*    de Medeiros         (*B if the new header can be
> omitted, so that 3-component JWTs are still valid. I don't support this
> option if backwards-incompatible.)****
>
> Y       Y       A    Mortimore             ****
>
> ** **
>
> By my count, this would bring the answers to date on the first question to:
> ****
>
> ** **
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> 16 “yes”****
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> 10 “no”****
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> ** **
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> FWIW****
>
> ** **
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> And yes, the IETF doesn’t vote… J  I’m sure we’ll have an interesting
> discussion after the polling period is over on Monday.  As for me, I have
> been actively thinking about how to meet everyone’s perceived needs, but
> will hold off on that until after Monday.****
>
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>
>                                                                 Take care,
> ****
>
>                                                                 -- Mike***
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> *From:* jose-bounces@ietf.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> 'jose-bounces@ietf.org');> [mailto:jose-bounces@ietf.org<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jose-bounces@ietf.org');>]
> *On Behalf Of *Brian Campbell
> *Sent:* Friday, February 08, 2013 3:35 PM
> *To:* Richard Barnes
> *Cc:* jose@ietf.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jose@ietf.org');>
> *Subject:* Re: [jose] Header criticality -- hidden consensus?****
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> FWIW, I didn't see my name on the tabulation but I did 'vote'
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/jose/current/msg01461.html****
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> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'rlb@ipv.sx');>>
> wrote:****
>
> We're 24 votes into the header criticality poll, so I thought I would go
> ahead and take a look at how the results are shaping up.  My initial
> tabulation is below.  The result on the FIRST POLL (the main one) is as
> follows:****
>
> ** **
>
> No: 10****
>
> Yes: 14****
>
> ** **
>
> What I find striking, however, is that every single person that voted
> "Yes" on the FIRST POLL also voted "Yes" on the SECOND POLL.  So nobody who
> thinks that all headers should be critical thinks that a JOSE library
> should actually be required to enforce this constraint.  And that means
> that enforcing that all headers are supported cannot be a MUST according to
> RFC 2119.****
>
> ** **
>
> So I wonder if there's consensus to remove the following text from JWE and
> JWS:****
>
> -----BEGIN-JWE-----****
>
>    4.   The resulting JWE Header MUST be validated to only include****
>
>         parameters and values whose syntax and semantics are both****
>
>         understood and supported.****
>
> -----END-JWE-----****
>
> -----BEGIN-JWS-----****
>
>    4.  The resulting JWS Header MUST be validated to only include****
>
>        parameters and values whose syntax and semantics are both****
>
>        understood and supported.****
>
> -----END-JWS-----****
>
> ** **
>
> Otherewise, a JOSE library conforming to these specifications would be
> REQUIRED (a synonym to MUST in 2119) to reject a JWE/JWS that contains an
> unknown header, contradicting all those "Yes" votes on the SECOND POLL.***
> *
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> --Richard****
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> -----BEGIN-Tabulation-----****
>
> 1       2       3    Name:           ****
>
> N       -       -    Bradley         ****
>
> N       -       -    Ito             ****
>
> N       N       A    Yee             ****
>
> N       N       B    Barnes          ****
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> N       N       B    Rescorla        ****
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> N       N       C    Manger          ****
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> N       N       C    Octman          ****
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> N       Y       A    Fletcher        ****
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> N       Y       A    Miller          ****
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> N       Y       A    Sakimura        ****
>
> Y       Y       -    D'Agostino      ****
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> Y       Y       A    Biering         ****
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> Y       Y       A    Brault          ****
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> Y       Y       A    Hedberg         ****
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> Y       Y       A    Jay             ****
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> Y       Y       A    Jones           ****
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> Y       Y       A    Marais          ****
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> Y       Y       A    Nadalin         ****
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> Y       Y       A    Nara            ****
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> Y       Y       A    Nennker         ****
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> Y       Y       A    Solberg         ****
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> Y       Y       B    Hardt           ****
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> Y       Y       B    Medeiros        ****
>
> Y       Y       C    Matake          ****
>
> Y       Y       C    Mishra    ****
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