Re: [Json] Kicking Off JSONbis

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Wed, 30 September 2015 06:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Json] Kicking Off JSONbis
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Matt Miller (mamille2) <
> mamille2@cisco.com> wrote:
> ​​
>
>
>> ​​
>> * references ECMA-404 and is a reference for ECMA-404
>>
> ​​
> I note that RFC7159 already has an informative reference to ECMA-404. I
> take it that the proposal is to have a normative reference?  Query: is the
> reference on normative vs informative
> https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/normative-informative.html
> authoritative?
>
> Quoting from that document: “Normative references specify documents that
> must be read to understand or implement the technology in the new RFC, or
> whose technology must be present for the technology in the new RFC to work.”
>
> I’d like to hear some reasoning on how ECMA-404 meets either of those
> criteria.
>
> [Yes, I agreed to edit.  While I’m highly unconvinced on the merits of
> 7159bis approach, if the WG chooses to move ahead with this plan, I’ll put
> the angle brackets in the right places.]
>

To me, it seems like a political or diplomatic gesture that helps the
Internet to move forward.

Framing it in technical or standards-wonk terms seems counterproductive. I
don't think there are substantive issues in those areas that would be
resolved by objecting to the plan in the charter.

- Rob