Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-14: (with COMMENT)
Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com> Mon, 17 May 2021 10:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-14: (with COMMENT)
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John, Alvaro, do we have a consensus whether we need the update to RFC 7370 or not? thanks, Peter On 13/05/2021 21:12, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Alvaro – > > FWIW, I agree w John here. > > There are many examples – to cite a few: > > Sub-TLVs for TLVs 22, 23, 25, 141, 222, and 223 (Extended IS > reachability, IS Neighbor Attribute, L2 Bundle Member Attributes, > inter-AS reachability information, MT-ISN, and MT IS Neighbor Attribute > TLVs) > > … > > Reference > > [RFC5305][RFC5316][RFC7370][RFC8668] > > RFC 8868 is not marked as updating RFC 7370. > > RFC 7370 is not marked as updating RFC 5316/RFC 5305. > > Sub-TLVs for TLVs 135, 235, 236, and 237 (Extended IP reachability, MT > IP. Reach, IPv6 IP. Reach, and MT IPv6 IP. Reach TLVs) > > … > > Reference > > [RFC5305][RFC7370] > > Again, RFC7370 is not marked as updating RFC 5305. > > I think it is sufficient to request that IANA add the new RFC to the > list of References for the modified registry. > > Les > > *From:* Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *John Scudder > *Sent:* Thursday, May 13, 2021 11:00 AM > *To:* Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> > *Cc:* John Scudder via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org>; Christian Hopps > <chopps@chopps.org>; lsr-chairs@ietf.org; The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>; > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-srv6-extensions-14: (with COMMENT) > > On May 13, 2021, at 1:20 PM, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com > <mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote: > > This documents updates RFC 7370 by modifying an existing > registry. > > Also, this doesn’t seem to me like an update to RFC 7370. It’s > normal for an > RFC to update an IANA registry, without saying it updates a > previous RFC that > established that registry. I think the “updates” just confuses > matters and > clutters things up, and should be removed. > > > In this case the document is not only registering a value. It is > changing the name of the registry, adding an extra column, and > updating all the other entries (§11.1.*). The Updates tag is used > because it significantly changes the registry. > > Still seems unnecessary to me, registries are moving targets, citation > of all the relevant RFCs in their references should be sufficient. So, > the registry would be updated so that it cited both this spec and 7370, > and someone wanting to know “how did the registry get this way?” would > be able to work it out. > > I’m not going to fight about it; the “updates” is not very harmful. I > say “not very” because the diligent reader might be led to think they > need to go read RFC 7370 in order to properly understand this spec, and > waste some time realizing that isn’t true. Since for better or worse we > don’t have a firm definition of when we do, and don’t, use “updates”, it > comes down to a matter of personal taste in the end. > > $0.02, > > —John >
- [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ietf-l… John Scudder via Datatracker
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Alvaro Retana
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… John Scudder
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Peter Psenak
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Alvaro Retana
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… John Scudder
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Peter Psenak
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Peter Psenak
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Christian Hopps
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Alvaro Retana
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Lsr] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ie… Christian Hopps