Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal...
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From: "Phillips, Addison" <addison@amazon.com>
To: "Broome, Karen" <Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com>, Peter Constable <petercon@microsoft.com>, LTRU Working Group <ltru@ietf.org>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:21:31 -0700
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> I think this proposal may make the guidance task worse. Are you really saying that Quechua, Cree, Zapotec, Konkani, Malay, Swahili and the rest somehow make Chinese tagging guidance *easier*? I'm totally mystified now about what you think would work. Guidance under this plan for tagging Chinese could be very straightforward. Perhaps: -- When selecting a tag for a Chinese language, that tag SHOULD always use the specific extended language subtag. For example, tag Mandarin Chinese content with a tag starting with "zh-cmn", adding any necessary additional subtags for script, region, or variant as appropriate. If the specific variety of Chinese is not known or is not important to the content, the primary language subtag 'zh' MAY be used without an extended language subtag to form the complete tag. -- Addison Addison Phillips Globalization Architect -- Lab126 Internationalization is not a feature. It is an architecture. > -----Original Message----- > From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Broome, Karen > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:39 PM > To: Peter Constable; LTRU Working Group > Subject: Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... > > I think this proposal may make the guidance task worse. > > Karen > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > >Of Peter Constable > >Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:29 PM > >To: LTRU Working Group > >Subject: Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... > > > >It's a proposal that (whether with or without Shawn's variation) > >might be just the right compromise. (See my comments in another mail > >I just posted.) > > > >We would still need to have text giving clear guidance on how to tag > >for Chinese. > > > > > >Peter > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On > >Behalf Of > >> Shawn Steele > >> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 12:54 PM > >> To: Phillips, Addison; LTRU Working Group > >> Subject: Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... > >> > >> I would either like that, or the same thing, except where cmn and > >yue > >> are allowed as aliases of zh-cmn & zh-yue > >> > >> - Shawn > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: ltru-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@ietf.org] On > >Behalf Of > >> Phillips, Addison > >> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 12:38 PM > >> To: LTRU Working Group > >> Subject: [Ltru] a modest proposal... > >> > >> Since: > >> > >> 1. We appear to be stuck. > >> 2. We (most of us, anyway) would like to see this work completed. > >> 3. We haven't a compelling-enough technical argument that resolves > >the > >> issue. > >> > >> I would like to submit a "modest proposal" for addressing the > >impasse: > >> > >> 1. Restore a *single* extlang to the ABNF. > >> 2. Keep the Macrolanguage field in the registry for all > >encompassed > >> languages, which information may be use by implementations however > >> makes the most sense. > >> 3. Cherry pick *only* the 'zh' (and possibly the 'ar') encompassed > >> languages for registration as extlangs. This is done in the name > >of > >> compatibility alone. 4. Permit implementations to treat the > >'language' > >> production as atomic (that is, the sequence "zh-yue" MAY be > >treated as > >> if it were a single subtag but MAY be treated as separate subtags, > >> notably by existing implementations). Note that the 'language' > >> production is the one that includes both the primary and extended > >> language subtags. > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> > >> Addison > >> > >> Addison Phillips > >> Globalization Architect -- Lab126 > >> > >> Internationalization is not a feature. > >> It is an architecture. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ltru mailing list > >> Ltru@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Ltru mailing list > >> Ltru@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > >_______________________________________________ > >Ltru mailing list > >Ltru@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru > > > _______________________________________________ > Ltru mailing list > Ltru@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Misha Wolf
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Broome, Karen
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- [Ltru] Elephants and Goldfish Require Structure w… Debbie Garside
- Re: [Ltru] Elephants and Goldfish Require Structu… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Off topic: Mutually intellegibile (was… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Leif Halvard Silli
- [Ltru] Off topic: Mutually intellegibile (was: Re… Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] Off topic: Mutually intellegibile (was… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Mailinglist issue Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] early proto draft-15... Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Doug Ewell