Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal...
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From: "Phillips, Addison" <addison@amazon.com>
To: Leif Halvard Silli <lhs@malform.no>, LTRU Working Group <ltru@ietf.org>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:18:23 -0700
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> > > 2. Keep the Macrolanguage field in the registry for all [...] > > > Will encompassed Chinese languages have the macrolanguage field? Perhaps you should read the current draft? > > It is good if all macro and encompassed languages are treated the > same way. But then it is perhaps also questionable if there are > two such important exceptions. Chinese is a classic example of > what "macrolanguage" is or means. See: "elephant in the room" > > > 3. Cherry pick *only* the 'zh' (and possibly the 'ar') > > encompassed languages for registration as extlangs. This is > > done in the name of compatibility alone. > > I support including 'sgn'. But what does "in the name of > compatibility alone" mean? That it isn't linked to macrolangauge? > If it *is* linked to macrolanguage, then you can't explain it as a > compatibility issue and vice-versa. It means: it is not linked to "macrolanguage", a feature of ISO 639-3. It is strictly recognition that past tagging practice has used "zh-*" and "sgn-*". It has nothing to do with anything else. > > > 4. Permit implementations to treat the 'language' production as > > atomic (that is, the sequence "zh-yue" MAY be treated as if it > > were a single subtag but MAY be treated as separate subtags, > > notably by existing implementations). Note that the 'language' > > production is the one that includes both the primary and > > extended language subtags. > > Might all these exceptions to 'zh' only hamper Chinese and Sign > languages (and in the end perhaps make this tagging style unstable?)? Uh... 1. "sgn" is not a macrolanguage and should not be. 2. The above should not hamper Chinese or sign languages. Why would you think so? You seem to support extlang. This is extlang for those languages solely. > > ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL: Let's cherry pick in some way or another. You are welcome to suggest another cherry picking device. > But let's have extlang as a macrolanguage thing, and thus explain > it not as an exception for compatibility reasons, but as one of > two method for handeling the macrolanguage identification. Well, no. The point of the "modest proposal" was to try and break the logjam in which some of us insist that we'd be better off without extlangs and others insist we'd be better off with them. You are proposing having TWO methods tagging the same language variety, an idea that is antithetical to language tagging and which presents more problems than it solves. Addison _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru
- [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Misha Wolf
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Broome, Karen
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- [Ltru] Elephants and Goldfish Require Structure w… Debbie Garside
- Re: [Ltru] Elephants and Goldfish Require Structu… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Leif Halvard Silli
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] Off topic: Mutually intellegibile (was… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Peter Constable
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Leif Halvard Silli
- [Ltru] Off topic: Mutually intellegibile (was: Re… Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] Off topic: Mutually intellegibile (was… John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Shawn Steele
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Mark Davis
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... John Cowan
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Martin Duerst
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] Mailinglist issue Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] early proto draft-15... Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Phillips, Addison
- Re: [Ltru] a modest proposal... Doug Ewell