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Re: [Mtgvenue] Update of RFC8719 not needed

Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com> Fri, 29 December 2023 13:08 UTC

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From: Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com>
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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] Update of RFC8719 not needed
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> Il 28/12/2023 18:24 CET John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> ha scritto:
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> I don't see the point, other to reinforce the reality that the
> sensible places to meet are in the northern hemisphere. We already
> know that people in South America can remotely attend meetings in
> North America at hours when they would normally be awake, people in
> Africa and the Middle East can remotely attend Europe and people in
> Oceania can remotely attend Japan, Taiwan, or Korea.

I don't have a strong opinion yet, but... It doesn't make much sense to say that we need to meet in person to be effective, but also that not meeting in certain parts of the world is not a problem for participants who live there because they can attend remotely. Pick one.

> Since IETF meetings are working sessions, if someone is not already
> reading and writing I-Ds and following the mailing lists, a physical
> meeting is a waste of time. I entirely agree that it would be good to
> have more IETFers from places beyond where we come from now, but first
> we get people active, then we might consider adjusting the meeting
> schedules to match the places where active workers are.

This is going to be a philosophical (political?) debate between those who think that representation should match current reality and those who think that it should match a desired reality which can only come true if under-represented groups get disproportionately higher representation right now. I suspect that there will never be consensus on this point - not in this organization.

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