Re: [Multiformats] Multiformats Considered Harmful

Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> Fri, 08 September 2023 10:27 UTC

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From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2023 12:26:59 +0200
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pá 8. 9. 2023 v 11:41 odesílatel Robin Berjon <robin@berjon.com> napsal:

> Dear Melvin,
>
> On 08/09/2023 04:45, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> > While I understand and respect the distinctions you're emphasizing, it's
> > evident from the aforementioned statements that there's a recognized
> > connection and relevance between IPFS, Filecoin, and blockchain-related
> > efforts. I believe this context is essential in our discussions, and it
> > would be beneficial for us to acknowledge these ties while also
> > understanding the unique characteristics of each project.
> >
> > I trust this sheds light on the context I'm referencing. To ensure
> > productive discussions, I'd suggest we remain focused on the primary
> > topics and avoid reiterating points. Appreciate your understanding.
>
> I appreciate that you have a profound dislike for blockchain, a point
> which you have already made at length when you asked the W3C TAG to
> somehow ban the use of the term "web3"[0], though the community did not
> agree.[1][2][3]
>
> That's an entirely respectable position. What I don't understand is why
> drag it into everything? Both IPFS and blockchains exist in the (vast)
> design space explored by the (many) people who are interested in
> decentralisation. If you want to keep listing tenuous, anecdotal links
> between the two based on that alone, you could do it all day — yet it
> would neither be relevant to this discussion nor change the fact that
> the two are entirely unrelated except perhaps by happenstance.
>
> Seeing as IPFS, and more specifically its ecosystem, is actually my day
> job, if IPFS were somehow tied to blockchains I think that I would have
> had occasion to notice.
>
> I won't address the point further. Richard made an honest mistake, I
> provided a simple factual correction, I think we can move on and focus
> on the matter at hand. I wish you the best of luck on your personal
> crusade but I don't think that repeated attempts to taint by imaginary
> association are helping us reach enlightened conclusions.
>

Leaving the personal attacks aside, it might be beneficial to consider
collaboration with the newly formed "IPFS Ecosystem Working Group", as an
option.

It could assist in documenting and standardizing the multibase and
multiformats. and is perhaps a perfect fit, at this time.

https://blog.ipfs.tech/2023-introducing-the-ecosystem-working-group/


>
>
>
> [0] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2023Jul/0000.html
> [1] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2023Jul/0001.html
> [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2023Jul/0002.html
> [3] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2023Jul/0009.html
>
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