Re: [Multiformats] Multiformats Considered Harmful
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To: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Cc: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>, Michael Jones <michael_b_jones@hotmail.com>, Orie Steele <orie@transmute.industries>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, "multiformats@ietf.org" <multiformats@ietf.org>, Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>, Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>, Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>, Paul Wouters <paul.wouters@aiven.io>, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>
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Subject: Re: [Multiformats] Multiformats Considered Harmful
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Dear Melvin, On 08/09/2023 04:45, Melvin Carvalho wrote: > While I understand and respect the distinctions you're emphasizing, it's > evident from the aforementioned statements that there's a recognized > connection and relevance between IPFS, Filecoin, and blockchain-related > efforts. I believe this context is essential in our discussions, and it > would be beneficial for us to acknowledge these ties while also > understanding the unique characteristics of each project. > > I trust this sheds light on the context I'm referencing. To ensure > productive discussions, I'd suggest we remain focused on the primary > topics and avoid reiterating points. Appreciate your understanding. I appreciate that you have a profound dislike for blockchain, a point which you have already made at length when you asked the W3C TAG to somehow ban the use of the term "web3"[0], though the community did not agree.[1][2][3] That's an entirely respectable position. What I don't understand is why drag it into everything? Both IPFS and blockchains exist in the (vast) design space explored by the (many) people who are interested in decentralisation. If you want to keep listing tenuous, anecdotal links between the two based on that alone, you could do it all day — yet it would neither be relevant to this discussion nor change the fact that the two are entirely unrelated except perhaps by happenstance. Seeing as IPFS, and more specifically its ecosystem, is actually my day job, if IPFS were somehow tied to blockchains I think that I would have had occasion to notice. I won't address the point further. Richard made an honest mistake, I provided a simple factual correction, I think we can move on and focus on the matter at hand. I wish you the best of luck on your personal crusade but I don't think that repeated attempts to taint by imaginary association are helping us reach enlightened conclusions. [0] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2023Jul/0000.html [1] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2023Jul/0001.html [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2023Jul/0002.html [3] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2023Jul/0009.html -- Robin Berjon (he/him) Governance & Standards at Protocol Labs https://berjon.com/ - https://mastodon.social/@robin
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