Re: [multipathtcp] potential MPTCP proxy charter item

Alan Ford <alan.ford@gmail.com> Mon, 07 November 2016 06:22 UTC

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From: Alan Ford <alan.ford@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] potential MPTCP proxy charter item
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Hi Olivier,

> On 6 Nov 2016, at 21:25, Olivier Bonaventure <Olivier.Bonaventure@uclouvain.be> wrote:
>> 
>> One of us is clearly missing some key piece of information, since I
>> still don’t know how we can be arguing something that seems so
>> fundamentally clear to me.
>> 
>> This is a clear-cut application /on top of/ MPTCP. In explicit mode, the
>> application protocol is:
>> 
>> - a few bytes of signal that defines the real target address
>> - followed by the proxied payload
>> 
>> I’m not saying “use SOCKS” - you have a proposal for a 0-RTT proxy
>> signalling protocol here. That’s fine. /But it’s not MPTCP-specific/.
> 
> Indeed, the same could apply for TCP, SCTP and probably any transport protocol.

Good, I’m glad we agree here :-)

>> Why are you trying to make it a MPTCP option?
> 
> The need comes from MPTCP. It could be defined as a TCP option instead of an MPTCP option. I think that explicitly specifying a proxy node is a useful feature that should be part of the transport protocol and not tied to a specific application. We are less and less in a pure end-to-end deployment model for the Internet and making those transport proxies explicit would make sense.

Why is it an option, however? When you are explicitly targeting a proxy node, surely the proxy is just as capable of pulling the data out of the payload here?

>> As I said in the reply to Med, the implicit mode is slightly more
>> difficult since you are expecting interception of MPTCP traffic based on
>> some logic. That logic could be a “proxy alert” flag, or it could be
>> inspection of all MPTCP SYNs’ payloads (data-on-SYN issues are probably
>> not such big deal in your relatively controlled environments), or it
>> could be using RFC 2113 RAO. It does not need to be an MPTCP option
>> specific to this extension.
> 
> RAO is not a solution because support for IP options on routers is far from optimal. The main reason why we proposed to use the option in implicit mode is because the working group asked to merge the plain-mode and transparent mode drafts in July.

I was under the impression you would be deploying this is controlled networks, or at least networks where operators had full choice of the equipment (CPEs and proxies) that would be deployed.

Regards,
Alan