Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /architecture
"Ford, Alan" <alan.ford@roke.co.uk> Tue, 03 November 2009 22:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /architecture
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Hi Yoshifumi, all, > > > > o [Question: Should we allow subflows in a single MPTCP > > > > connection to have different ports?] > > > > > > Seems like you'd have to - or you have to coordinate port use on > > > different addresses at a single endpoint constantly. > > > > Yes, and we have a demuxing value (the token) anyway. However, for > optimality it is proposed that the same ports are used on the same (and maybe > different) addresses per connection. > > Then, we might need to update Add Address option in the draft to propagate > port number. > and the term Address ID might be a bit confusing. I don't see that we do. The general principle is that an endpoint should use the ports that are currently in use at the other endpoint on its new connections, to maximise getting through firewalls and middleboxes, and also to support any port-based QoS traffic engineering, etc. That doesn't preclude an endpoint from trying other port numbers with the same token, but the chances of that working would seem slim. I'm not entirely sure whether we want to explicitly permit or explicitly forbid that, yet. Unless, there is some other use for signalling alternative port numbers to use. The only case I can think of may be for tricking load balancers with the same address to route on alternative paths, but that seems tenuous at best. > If we think about the possibility that application can get peer's secondary > IP address > outside of MPTCP (e.g. from DNS) and wants to try it, it might be convenient > to > use one single port for all subflows? The idea of using additional addresses from DNS etc is an interesting one. I'm reluctant to suggest this in the protocol - it would seem to open a number of potential security issues. One thing that adds a very elementary level of security in the current design is that signalling of new subflows occurs both over the existing connection and separately. This is not ideal yet and needs refinement. Such a solution would not be possible at all with the out-of-band knowledge exchange. Besides, an endpoint that knows it has multiple addresses should signal that immediately if it wants them to be used. (And if it doesn't want its other endpoint to be used, this gives it the flexibility not to signal it). Regards, Alan
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- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
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- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Lars Eggert
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
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- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Scott Brim
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- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Mark Handley
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Scott Brim
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Mark Handley
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… philip.eardley
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Lars Eggert
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Scott Brim
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch