Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /architecture
"Ford, Alan" <alan.ford@roke.co.uk> Tue, 03 November 2009 18:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /architecture
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Hi Bill, all, > > The MPTCP connection is identified, from an apps perspective, by the > > addresses associated with the original path (even if that subflow /path > > closes) > > I'm concerned about this idea. One of the corner cases where shim6 > falls apart is: once the connection migrates away from the original > addresses, how do the endpoints decide whether a new connection > request for the original addresses means the migrated addresses or the > current holder of the addresses? Think: FTP. This is indeed an issue. However, what is likely to happen here is that the next connection will just be rejected, the application will fail and have to try again from scratch, this time starting with a valid connection. The bigger issue here is what security impacts this may have. I find it hard to see how an attacker could engineer a compromised situation out of this. There may be some end users receiving odd connection attempts due to this, but that case can occur today with DNS caching. > > A SYN/ACK exchange (on a single path) checks that both ends support MPTCP, > > with automatic fall-back to TCP if not > > We have an awful lot of TCP options that are only valid in the > SYN-SYN/ACK exchange and only 40 bytes to put them all. What's wrong > with starting all TCP connections in non-MP mode and allowing the > connection's initiator to request MPTCP starting with any packet that > expects an ACK? We had began with assuming that a connection was either MPTCP or regular TCP from the start, so endpoints would know whether they could make use of Multipath immediately and start more subflows immediately. I'm intrigued with your suggestion, though. I see your point that there may not be any critical reason why this information should be known at the beginning of a session. I can't immediately think of any technical reason why doing it later in a session wouldn't work. But it would need further thought. Regards, Alan
- [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /archi… philip.eardley
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Mark Handley
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Lars Eggert
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
- [multipathtcp] This shim6 part of the answer (was… marcelo bagnulo braun
- [multipathtcp] The MPTCP part (was Re: High-level… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Scott Brim
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Scott Brim
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Scott Brim
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Mark Handley
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Scott Brim
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Mark Handley
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… philip.eardley
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Lars Eggert
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Scott Brim
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch