Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution for NATs
Joe Abley <jabley@ca.afilias.info> Mon, 21 July 2008 16:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution for NATs
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:57:25 -0400
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On 21 Jul 2008, at 07:17, Roy Arends wrote: > A simple, straightforward method to increase entropy in DNS message > transaction, is to query for the same name twice (or N times for > even more > increased entropy) and require that the answers be the same. This does > require a change to the resolver, but not to the authoritative server. This will lead to trouble if the query is ever answered by one of a cluster of servers, where there is the potential for some servers in the cluster to be slightly more up-to-date than others. It also might lead to trouble if the query is ever answered by a single-source server which updates between query i and query j for some j>i. > There are a few things to consider, such as auth-servers not > agreeing on > zone content (or other protocol violations), or avoiding birthday > paradox > when sending two queries to the same server, but overall, this > solution is > an alternative for those deployments that are not capable of making > use of > source port randomization. Joe -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: <http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/>
- increasing DNS message entropy, a solution for NA… Roy Arends
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Joe Abley
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… bmanning
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Paul Vixie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Roy Arends
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Alex Bligh
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Roy Arends
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Alex Bligh
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Roy Arends
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… bert hubert
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Masataka Ohta
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Joe Abley
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Joe Abley
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Joe Abley
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Paul Vixie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Doug Barton
- there is a leak: message entropy increase urgent bert hubert
- Re: there is a leak: message entropy increase urg… Paul Vixie
- Re: there is a leak: message entropy increase urg… Mark Andrews
- Re: there is a leak: message entropy increase urg… bert hubert
- Re: there is a leak: message entropy increase urg… Paul Vixie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Tony Finch
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Masataka Ohta
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Alex Bligh
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Alex Bligh
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… bert hubert
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ray.Bellis
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Antoin Verschuren
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ray.Bellis
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… bmanning
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ray.Bellis
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… bmanning
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… bmanning
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Alex Bligh