Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution for NATs
Duane <duane@e164.org> Thu, 31 July 2008 08:00 UTC
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Subject: Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution for NATs
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Alex Bligh wrote: >> Because various NAT/PAT gateways put all the possible and impossible >> modificaitons on certain, including DNS, packets that there is virtually >> no directness expected. > > I am guessing this is a very common SoHo configuration though. Has anyone stopped to ask how much effort/emphasis should really be spent trying to protect end users? People perpetrating attacks on the internet still pay attention to the principals of economics, that is getting the most benefit from the least amount of work. For what it's worth, I think the real focus here should be ISP resolvers, not home users. Not to mention this should be a simpler problem to solve for a number of reasons. It seems to me that there is an excessive amount of attention being paid to protect what is potentially 1 machine in most cases. -- Best regards, Duane -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: <http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/>
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- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Roy Arends
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Alex Bligh
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- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Joe Abley
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Roy Arends
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Joe Abley
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- Re: there is a leak: message entropy increase urg… Mark Andrews
- Re: there is a leak: message entropy increase urg… Paul Vixie
- Re: there is a leak: message entropy increase urg… bert hubert
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Joe Abley
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Paul Vixie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Masataka Ohta
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Masataka Ohta
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Alex Bligh
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ray.Bellis
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… bmanning
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Duane
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ray.Bellis
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… bmanning
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… bmanning
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Alex Bligh
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… bert hubert
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ray.Bellis
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Antoin Verschuren
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Alex Bligh
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
- Re: increasing DNS message entropy, a solution fo… Ben Laurie
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