Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-08: (with DISCUSS)

"Alexey Melnikov" <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> Thu, 29 August 2019 13:45 UTC

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:44:22 +0100
From: "Alexey Melnikov" <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>
To: "Kent Watsen" <kent+ietf@watsen.net>, "Barry Leiba" <barryleiba@computer.org>
Cc: "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>, "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding@ietf.org, "The IESG" <iesg@ietf.org>, "Lou Berger" <lberger@labn.net>
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Hi,

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Kent Watsen wrote:
> Correct and, to be even more clear, the location where the fold occurred was between the '\' and '\n' in the original input, thus producing the sequence: '\' + '\' + '\n' + '\n', where the first and last characters are from the input and the inner-two characters were introduced by the folding process.

Hmm, Ok. That is not how I understood your folding algorithm, so I think this is not very clear.

> Alexey, does this explanation clear your DISCUSS?

I would clear, but I suggest you should add more text explaining this.

Best Regards,
Alexey

> Kent // co-author
> 
>> On Aug 29, 2019, at 9:31 AM, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The example is set up so that the source is in 9.4, 9.4.1 is the
>> result of "\ folding" of 9.4, and 9.4.2 is the result of "\\ folding"
>> of 9.4.
>> 
>> So the original source (in 9.4) was "This line ends with a backslash \".
>> The result of "\ folding" gives "This line ends with a backslash \\",
>> because the backslash had to be escaped.
>> 
>> Barry
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:55 AM Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kent,
>>> 
>>> On 28 Aug 2019, at 23:03, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alexey,
>>> 
>>> Response at bottom.
>>> 
>>> Kent
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Alexey Melnikov via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for
>>> draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-08: Discuss
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> DISCUSS:
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your document.
>>> 
>>> It might be just me, but I think your examples in 9.4.1 with trailing \ don’t
>>> seem to match the folding algorithm in section 7, as it doesn’t describe
>>> special handling of trailing \.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can you be more specific regarding what it is you think doesn't match? Step (2) says, at the location where the fold is to occur, insert '\' followed by '\n'. That appears to be what is shown in 9.4.1, yes?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In the HTML version (in datatracker) I am seeing:
>>> 
>>> “This line ends with a backslash \\”
>>> 
>>> followed by an empty line. So I see 2 trailing \ followed by end of line, instead of \, end of line, and then \.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> FWIW, the text in Section 9.4.1 (as with all the examples in the draft) was dynamically-generated (at draft build time) by feeding the text in Section 9.4 into the script in the Appendix A.
>>> 
>>> Kent // co-author
>>>