Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-08: (with DISCUSS)
Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Thu, 29 August 2019 13:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-08: (with DISCUSS)
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You're saying, then, that "This line ends with a backslash \\[EOL][EOL]" only loses the last "\" in unfolding, because there is no space character on the next line. Is that right? If so, Alexey is right that the algorithm doesn't say that. Barry On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:44 AM Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote: > > > > On Aug 29, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: > > The example is set up so that the source is in 9.4, 9.4.1 is the > result of "\ folding" of 9.4, and 9.4.2 is the result of "\\ folding" > of 9.4. > > So the original source (in 9.4) was "This line ends with a backslash \". > The result of "\ folding" gives "This line ends with a backslash \\", > because the backslash had to be escaped. > > > But the algorithm described in prose says absolutely nothing about escaping trailing "\"! So why the example is Ok, it just doesn't match the folding algorithm. > > > The word "escape" is a bit misleading, even though, in a way, that is what is happening (e.g., working around a special character), but it's not "escaping" in the traditional sense (i.e., the first '\' is in no way giving special significance to the second '\'). What's really going on is better described as a forced folding on a line that contains an invalid end-of-line sequence. Makes sense? > > Kent // co-author > > > > Barry > > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:55 AM Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> wrote: > > > Hi Kent, > > On 28 Aug 2019, at 23:03, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote: > > Hi Alexey, > > Response at bottom. > > Kent > > > On Aug 28, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Alexey Melnikov via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > > Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-08: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thank you for your document. > > It might be just me, but I think your examples in 9.4.1 with trailing \ don’t > seem to match the folding algorithm in section 7, as it doesn’t describe > special handling of trailing \. > > > Can you be more specific regarding what it is you think doesn't match? Step (2) says, at the location where the fold is to occur, insert '\' followed by '\n'. That appears to be what is shown in 9.4.1, yes? > > > In the HTML version (in datatracker) I am seeing: > > “This line ends with a backslash \\” > > followed by an empty line. So I see 2 trailing \ followed by end of line, instead of \, end of line, and then \. > > > FWIW, the text in Section 9.4.1 (as with all the examples in the draft) was dynamically-generated (at draft build time) by feeding the text in Section 9.4 into the script in the Appendix A. > > Kent // co-author > > > >
- [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Alexey Melnikov via Datatracker
- Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-i… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-i… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-i… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-i… Barry Leiba
- Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-i… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-i… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-i… Kent Watsen
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- Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-i… Barry Leiba
- Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-i… Kent Watsen
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