Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-08: (with DISCUSS)

"Alexey Melnikov" <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> Thu, 29 August 2019 13:37 UTC

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:36:11 +0100
From: "Alexey Melnikov" <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>
To: "Barry Leiba" <barryleiba@computer.org>
Cc: "Kent Watsen" <kent+ietf@watsen.net>, "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>, "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding@ietf.org, "The IESG" <iesg@ietf.org>, "Lou Berger" <lberger@labn.net>
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On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Barry Leiba wrote:
> The example is set up so that the source is in 9.4, 9.4.1 is the
> result of "\ folding" of 9.4, and 9.4.2 is the result of "\\ folding"
> of 9.4.
> 
> So the original source (in 9.4) was "This line ends with a backslash \".
> The result of "\ folding" gives "This line ends with a backslash \\",
> because the backslash had to be escaped.

But the algorithm described in prose says absolutely nothing about escaping trailing "\"! So why the example is Ok, it just doesn't match the folding algorithm.

> Barry
> 
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:55 AM Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kent,
> >
> > On 28 Aug 2019, at 23:03, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Alexey,
> >
> > Response at bottom.
> >
> > Kent
> >
> >
> > On Aug 28, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Alexey Melnikov via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
> >
> > Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for
> > draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-08: Discuss
> >
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> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > DISCUSS:
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> >
> > Thank you for your document.
> >
> > It might be just me, but I think your examples in 9.4.1 with trailing \ don’t
> > seem to match the folding algorithm in section 7, as it doesn’t describe
> > special handling of trailing \.
> >
> >
> > Can you be more specific regarding what it is you think doesn't match?   Step (2) says, at the location where the fold is to occur, insert '\' followed by '\n'.  That appears to be what is shown in 9.4.1, yes?
> >
> >
> > In the HTML version (in datatracker) I am seeing:
> >
> > “This line ends with a backslash \\”
> >
> > followed by an empty line. So I see 2 trailing \ followed by end of line, instead of \, end of line, and then \.
> >
> >
> > FWIW, the text in Section 9.4.1 (as with all the examples in the draft) was dynamically-generated (at draft build time) by feeding the text in Section 9.4 into the script in the Appendix A.
> >
> > Kent  // co-author
> >
> >
>