Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-04
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Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-04
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On 11/09/2017 18:31, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net> wrote: >> As an author, I believe the draft is ready for publication. >> >> Regarding Robert's editorial suggestions: >> >> 1) how moving "all" like this? (i.e., must have same modules, >> deviations, etc.) >> - datastores that all share exactly the same schema, allowing data to be >> - copied >> + datastores that share exactly the same schema, allowing all data to >> be copied > > Or just remove "all". I also have a slight preference for just removing "all", but am also OK if it moves. Thanks, Rob > >> 2) better, but I think we should expand "It" in the beginning of the >> 2nd paragraph >> to "The intended configuration datastore". Also, how about this for >> the 3rd >> paragraph instead? (fixes a couple plurality issues and one >> transition issue): >> >> The contents of <intended> are related to the 'config true' >> subset of <operational>, such that a client can determine to what >> extent the intended configuration is currently applied by checking >> whether the contents of <intended> also appear in <operational>. > Ok. > >> 3) I'm okay with this. > I agree that the proposed TOC changes are better. > >> 4) This is better. > Agreed. > > > /martin > > >> >> Thanks, >> Kent >> >> >> >> On 9/11/17, 11:22 AM, "Robert Wilton" >> <rwilton@cisco.com<mailto:rwilton@cisco.com>> wrote: >> >> >> As one of the authors, I would like to see a few minor editorial >> updates, described below. Otherwise I believe that the document is >> ready for publication. >> >> Proposed changes: >> >> 1. I think that the document could further emphasis that the schema >> for all the conventional datastores must be the same. >> >> Old: >> >> 4.5. Conventional Configuration Datastores >> >> The conventional configuration datastores are a set of configuration >> datastores that share a common schema, allowing data to be copied >> between them. The term is meant as a generic umbrella description of >> these datastores. The set of datastores include: >> >> New: >> >> 4.5. Conventional Configuration Datastores >> >> The conventional configuration datastores are a set of configuration >> datastores that all share exactly the same schema, allowing data to be >> copied >> between them. The term is meant as a generic umbrella description of >> these datastores. The set of datastores include: >> >> >> >> 2. I think that the description of the intended datastore could be >> expanded to give a bit more clarity. >> >> OLD: >> >> 4.4. The Intended Configuration Datastore (<intended>) >> >> The intended configuration datastore (<intended>) is a read-only >> configuration datastore. It is tightly coupled to <running>. When >> data is written to <running>, the data that is to be validated is >> also conceptually written to <intended>. Validation is performed on >> the contents of <intended>. >> >> For simple implementations, <running> and <intended> are identical. >> >> <intended> does not persist across reboots; its relationship with >> <running> makes that unnecessary. >> >> ... >> >> NEW: >> >> 4.4. The Intended Configuration Datastore (<intended>) >> >> The intended configuration datastore (<intended>) is a read-only >> configuration datastore. It represents the configuration after all >> configuration transformations to <running> are performed (e.g. >> template expansion, inactive configuration removal), and is the >> configuration that the system attempts to apply. >> >> It is tightly coupled to <running>. When data is written to >> <running>, the data that is to be validated is also conceptually >> written to <intended>. Validation is performed on the contents of >> <intended>. >> >> For simple implementations, <running> and <intended> are identical. >> >> The contents of <intended> is also related to the 'config true' >> subset of <operational>, and hence a client can determine to what >> extent the intended configuration is currently applied by checking >> whether the contents of <intended> also appears in <operational>. >> >> <intended> does not persist across reboots; its relationship with >> <running> makes that unnecessary. >> >> ... >> >> 3. I think that it may aid readability if the section on conventional >> configuration datastores was moved above the description of the >> individual conventional configuration datastores, which could then be >> intended one level. Best illustrated via the change to the table of >> contents. >> >> E.g. current TOC: >> >> 4. Architectural Model of Datastores . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 >> 4.1. The Startup Configuration Datastore (<startup>) . . . . . 9 >> 4.2. The Candidate Configuration Datastore (<candidate>) . . . 10 >> 4.3. The Running Configuration Datastore (<running>) . . . . . 10 >> 4.4. The Intended Configuration Datastore (<intended>) . . . . 10 >> 4.5. Conventional Configuration Datastores . . . . . . . . . . 11 >> 4.6. Dynamic Configuration Datastores . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 >> 4.7. The Operational State Datastore (<operational>) . . . . . 11 >> 4.7.1. Remnant Configuration . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12 >> 4.7.2. Missing Resources . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13 >> 4.7.3. System-controlled Resources . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13 >> 4.7.4. Origin Metadata Annotation . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13 >> >> Proposed TOC: >> >> 4. Architectural Model of Datastores . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 >> 4.1. Conventional Configuration Datastores . . . . . . . . . . 9 >> 4.1.1. The Startup Configuration Datastore (<startup>) . . . 10 >> 4.1.2. The Candidate Configuration Datastore (<candidate>) . 10 >> 4.1.3. The Running Configuration Datastore (<running>) . . . 10 >> 4.1.4. The Intended Configuration Datastore (<intended>) . . 11 >> 4.2. Dynamic Configuration Datastores . . . . . . . . . . . . 12 >> 4.3. The Operational State Datastore (<operational>) . . . . . 12 >> 4.3.1. Remnant Configuration . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13 >> 4.3.2. Missing Resources . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13 >> 4.3.3. System-controlled Resources . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 >> 4.3.4. Origin Metadata Annotation . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 >> >> 4. Finally, I noticed one reference that could be improved, by >> changing it from "(described below)" to a proper section reference: >> >> 647,648c644,645 >> < circumstances, e.g., an abnormal value is 'in use', or due to >> remnant >> < configuration (described below). Note, that deviations are still >> --- >>> circumstances, e.g., an abnormal value is "in use", or due to remnant >>> configuration (see Section 4.7.1). Note, that deviations are still >> Thanks, >> Rob >> >> >> On 01/09/2017 22:02, Lou Berger wrote: >> >> All, >> >> >> >> This starts a two week working group last call on >> >> draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-04. >> >> >> >> The working group last call ends on September 17. >> >> Please send your comments to the netmod mailing list. >> >> >> >> Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and >> >> believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! >> >> This is useful and important, even from authors. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Netmod Chairs > . >
- [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revised-… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… t.petch
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Phil Shafer
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… t.petch
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… t.petch
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… t.petch
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… t.petch
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Phil Shafer
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Phil Shafer
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… t.petch
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… t.petch
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Martin Bjorklund
- [netmod] <running> vs <intended> [was Re: WG Last… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> [was Re: WG … Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> [was Re: WG … Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> [was Re: WG … Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> [was Re: WG … Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> [was Re: WG … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> [was Re: WG … Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… t.petch
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> t.petch
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> Robert Wilton
- [netmod] RFC 2119 language [was Re: WG Last Call:… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] RFC 2119 language [was Re: WG Last C… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] RFC 2119 language Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] RFC 2119 language [was Re: WG Last C… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] RFC 2119 language [was Re: WG Last C… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] RFC 2119 language [was Re: WG Last C… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] RFC 2119 language [was Re: WG Last C… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] RFC 2119 language [was Re: WG Last C… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] RFC 2119 language [was Re: WG Last C… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] RFC 2119 language [was Re: WG Last C… Lou Berger
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> t.petch
- Re: [netmod] <running> vs <intended> Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Robert Wilton
- Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-revi… Robert Wilton