Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newtrk-decruft-experiment-02.txt
David Kessens <david.kessens@nokia.com> Thu, 12 January 2006 01:15 UTC
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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:06:57 -0800
From: David Kessens <david.kessens@nokia.com>
To: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
Cc: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>, Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>, Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com>, New Track <newtrk@lists.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newtrk-decruft-experiment-02.txt
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Eliot, On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:54:52PM +0100, Eliot Lear wrote: > Pekka Savola wrote: > > > > It's hard to estimate the work Eliot did in trying to contact various > > (dead or alive) WGs, RFC authors, etc. -- or did he (I recall hearing > > something about that)? > > I did some. The big issue is that many email addresses have changed, > and many working groups have gone poof. I don't think the process was > onerous. I also did some nudging to get some updates out there (like > CIDR). One thing I would suggest is that the IESG look at the remaining > documents and consider getting them promoted (somehow). I put off that > discussion because I figured this group would have related output. While I appreciate your tireless efforts, I would like to make it very clear that you are here asking the IESG to take on more work then it currently does. As most ADs already have more work to act on than time available, this will mean that you are de-facto requesting us to drop other work. I believe that it is extremely important that this working group considers this very carefully and gives the IESG instructions on what other work should get a lower priority. As far as my personal opinion, and please forgive me my bluntness, I believe that this whole effort to reclassify IETF documents, while well intentioned, equates to paperpushing. Basically, and this stems from my operational background, my question is whether this reclassification effort is making any difference in the day to day operations of the Internet. The IETF's mission is, to quote from rfc 3935, to make the 'Internet work better'. Loading more work on overloaded ADs or more process on hardworking IETF participants is not going to help to accomplish this mission. I believe that our best chances for *successful* process reform are in a review of our processes and to first look for cutting features in our process that are not in use or that don't pass the 'does this make any difference in the real Internet?' test. David Kessens --- . newtrk resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk/index.html
- [newtrk] IESG comments on draft-ietf-newtrk-decru… Brian E Carpenter
- [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newtrk-d… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Eliot Lear
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Eliot Lear
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Pekka Savola
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Eliot Lear
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… David Kessens
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Joe Touch
- RE: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Larry Masinter
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Dave Crocker
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… David Kessens
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Pekka Savola
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Eliot Lear
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Joe Touch
- Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newt… Spencer Dawkins