Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newtrk-decruft-experiment-02.txt

["Joel M. Halpern" <[e-mail]>]

Actually, there are multiple ways in which getting things properly marked 
historic is helpful.

The simplest case is when I have to explain to Marketing / Product 
Management which features we need.  Sure, they look at the boxes out 
there.  They then try to look at all the vaguely relevant RFCs, and often 
ask for almost everything.  Getting the really obsolete ones marked as 
historic will help me explain to them why those are not needed.

A related case is when I try to understand a new and complex aspect.  I can 
usually use the obsoletes / updates information to help figure out what I 
need to read.  But getting some of the clutter marked as historic will 
definitely help.  (And we do presume that our documents are actually for 
folks who are not active in this community.)

In fact, arguing that the "free market" will make this decision means that 
there is actually a barrier to entry for new players in that they have to 
figure out what the "free market" as "decided".  I don't actually think 
that is good for the internet as a whole.

Yours,
Joel M. Halpern

At 02:24 AM 1/12/2006, David Kessens wrote:

>Joe,
>
>On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 05:15:15PM -0800, Joe Touch wrote:
> >
> > I disagree; IMO, the work this represents helps move the chaff out of
> > the way so that the wheat - old wheat and new wheat - is easier to find.
> > Organizing the wheat so it's useful is just as productive - sometimes
> > moreso - as generating new wheat.
>
>The free market (and open source community as well) is way quicker and
>more efficient in determining whether something is historic/obsolete
>than the IETF. People vote with their pocket book and simply abandon
>the protocol when it no longer makes sense. I see very little value
>for us to spend a large amount of time to make a standard officially
>historic years *after* it is already widespread knowledge that a
>(proposed) standard is indeed historic/obsolete.
>
>David Kessens
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