Re: [newtrk] Re: IESG comments on draft-ietf-newtrk-decruft-experiment-02.txt

[Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[e-mail]>]

--On onsdag, januar 11, 2006 23:24:07 -0800 David Kessens 
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> Joe,
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 05:15:15PM -0800, Joe Touch wrote:
>>
>> I disagree; IMO, the work this represents helps move the chaff out of
>> the way so that the wheat - old wheat and new wheat - is easier to find.
>> Organizing the wheat so it's useful is just as productive - sometimes
>> moreso - as generating new wheat.
>
> The free market (and open source community as well) is way quicker and
> more efficient in determining whether something is historic/obsolete
> than the IETF. People vote with their pocket book and simply abandon
> the protocol when it no longer makes sense. I see very little value
> for us to spend a large amount of time to make a standard officially
> historic years *after* it is already widespread knowledge that a
> (proposed) standard is indeed historic/obsolete.

1) It's not a large amount of time (IMHO). Most important result of the 
experiment.

2) "Widespread" knowledge is not the same as "findable" knowledge.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Either do this work (and now we 
know what size work it is) or abandon the idea that standards-track status 
will ever be made to conform to reality.

WRT workload on the IESG: I think that for this particular document, the 
IESG has spent more energy (by a relatively large factor) on worrying about 
how much this willl cause extra work for the IESG than it has on actually 
processing the document.

I agree with David that asking the IESG to take on more work (to push the 
remaining docs up the track) is a non-starter. The IESG's job in this 
context is (I think) to make it possible for other people to do the job.

                     Harald

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