Re: [nfsv4] IETF 99 - July 16-21 - Prague (request for WG on meeting)

David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com> Wed, 10 May 2017 19:15 UTC

Return-Path: <davenoveck@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: nfsv4@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: nfsv4@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA1D12EA74 for <nfsv4@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 10 May 2017 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.698
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3k-AjDFstjA2 for <nfsv4@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 10 May 2017 12:14:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D053129530 for <nfsv4@ietf.org>; Wed, 10 May 2017 12:14:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id o5so31171518ith.1 for <nfsv4@ietf.org>; Wed, 10 May 2017 12:14:59 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qbSIkhs8k36rjpH9nEk3xRqETx27ZaJ4aKBQy9F924g=; b=NW5SdqQj98o/MXvc3iCJpLOpn3ShDI8H7ixD8b+JiDmSusL8iXiRwu+abyFTI5oLFv OxzSQoVZCVrFpmNno8226RLS5NNN5OnkT/IpVwi0sPWJl6YhcGD1j6GfOp4HiHqzrzjs b26YKTXFdhyhVzrZm69RohhTpJUZ1mniL/sPVj95FmOGu5Vjlj1oAPgQt2sBZrfLrNqp 4fd/Lm7A5ha8JAPo6y1ib0kPQEilSGsfObU4Na4FR0TKw1oAs5taw1SfarbRe+4iJLfp ZD1jH9ERgEbU4SZDUocubxpXs0yuObBqAF+j+br5yrL7JSz2GkM2vYdiPauoroO0kgLI rOLA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qbSIkhs8k36rjpH9nEk3xRqETx27ZaJ4aKBQy9F924g=; b=EQKxCt55NbfAFcBO/0f2nbDmPjOIok+UVFw4iWMx1EkabjJksR7SLrYW64uJpIlXUG 7isgotemArfKfaYdO6X/1R1F0SxUqQWrfXJRuN0yH2b+IbDwHT5Di/cDM8ZWdTw56ELL qjRQYeJp2MsZ8vdjIDe7Oq4JJJi25+vDP0T3st3+RJnrSlG2/KlKxzIP/EIEqr3+bBxw MZRyr9Rti3rBp+HrZv4Z5MzuVUwsLNs1bYooIhv9nb7X7tAVQMgRXd6UwGo5kCeMQBpl WyDYi82y5wdWZx6yjdaBDb8MKsspyF6WGPFObjWHdYoPmFanTw3hTELEZ/GxTm1n/03H Q47w==
X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcAx9m954HXvZL9sEvSHSbfzgC5/EUMCCU6RnfTVFp/4Fdc0qXY3 GyfLJhjmOqEhxUXzR6jDLza4L8hDkw==
X-Received: by 10.36.137.212 with SMTP id s203mr3076979itd.57.1494443698863; Wed, 10 May 2017 12:14:58 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.107.20.75 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2017 12:14:58 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <EDE54173-23C3-4ACE-8B89-710EFD113C3A@oracle.com>
References: <CAFt6Bak-5O+Pi15KbuwDJc8GYnR8Nh_zAz5iMhj4PLSja4YoAA@mail.gmail.com> <20170421142852.GA30579@lst.de> <52553727-6395-40C8-B07D-61C29693E5BB@oracle.com> <20170423081406.GD22942@lst.de> <BN3PR0601MB1347641E76848DEA0458CF5285100@BN3PR0601MB1347.namprd06.prod.outlook.com> <MWHPR03MB2893FAF624A0CC7C8B3E90D5C7EE0@MWHPR03MB2893.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <BCBD9182-E2E1-4C7E-A942-1855505DEE95@primarydata.com> <CADaq8jdWiDSpvntPtQB6LokoxvZi0kRkbVuR_bXHk4yOjA_1HA@mail.gmail.com> <EDE54173-23C3-4ACE-8B89-710EFD113C3A@oracle.com>
From: David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 15:14:58 -0400
Message-ID: <CADaq8jcp_+dPpd9e02HdUBxB4gK9Ov=6R7+Cn2qvCnF0KgJy1A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
Cc: "nfsv4@ietf.org" <nfsv4@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c05f6a0cec822054f304913"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nfsv4/yhl9j8aT5yEHytA-6fBDy1hZdIg>
Subject: Re: [nfsv4] IETF 99 - July 16-21 - Prague (request for WG on meeting)
X-BeenThere: nfsv4@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: NFSv4 Working Group <nfsv4.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/nfsv4>, <mailto:nfsv4-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/nfsv4/>
List-Post: <mailto:nfsv4@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:nfsv4-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfsv4>, <mailto:nfsv4-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 19:15:02 -0000

> > Chuck talking about next steps for RDMA.

> I don't think anyone wants to hear me droning about RDMA
> for 30 minutes. Let's cut this off at 20 minutes.

Although I did use the phrase "Chuck talking", I didn't mean that you would
be talking (or "droning" as you put it) the whole 30 minutes.  I did
anticipate that there would be questions and a discussion of the topic,
"Next steps for RDMA" in addition to your presentation.

> Focusing on using the existing time wisely seems like a better approach.

I accept that it might be too late to switch to a longer time.

> Otherwise we will try to fill up 300 minutes

I want to be clear that I wasn't suggesting that we try to fill up two
150-minute sessions.  I believe there are some shorter sessions, including
some one-hour ones.

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
wrote:

>
> > On May 10, 2017, at 11:40 AM, David Noveck <davenoveck@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tom is the first to actually post time requests, and now it seems clear
> that 150 minutes are going to be tight.
> >
> > Tom has quite reasonably asked for twenty minutes.
> > No actual time estimates have been posted but it is hard to imagine a
> charter discussion taking less than 30 minutes
> >
> > Assuming Administrivia takes no time, this leaves 100 minutes to divide
> among:
> > Christoph talking about NVMe and an RDMA-based layout.
> > Chuck talking about next steps for RDMA.
>
> I don't think anyone wants to hear me droning about RDMA
> for 30 minutes. Let's cut this off at 20 minutes.
>
>
> > Some combination of Andy, me, and Chuck talking about migration,
> trunking and the interactions between them, for both NFSv4.0 and NFSv4.1.
>
> I can forfeit my time here, though I will participate
> actively as an audience member. Migration issues in NFSv4.1
> and Andy's multi-pathing work are most interesting to me.
>
>
> > I think we need to consider having multiple sessions and get the
> requests made while time is still available.
>
> Focusing on using the existing time wisely seems like a
> better approach. Otherwise we will try to fill up 300
> minutes and a lot of that will be topics that can easily
> be dealt with on list, or for which there is limited
> interest.
>
>
> > In any case, we need to move from "this is what I'd like to hear/talk
> abut" to "this is my agenda item and this is the time I need to deal with
> it".
>
> That will leave us with a lot of proposed talks, and no
> gauge of what is actually interesting to people. In other
> words, IMO both types of responses are valuable.
>
>
> > Also, there may be people who have felt that, with two months still to
> go, there is plenty of time left to make requests.  Now that reasonable
> assumption is no longer valid.  If you need to talk to the group at IETF99,
> let us know soon.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Thomas Haynes <loghyr@primarydata.com>
> wrote:
> > Peeking head out of hole in the ground, ground I say!
> >
> > Flex files wrap up (to force me to finish) - 10 minutes
> >
> > Futures: 10 minutes
> > Do not return Open State if a Delegation is also issued
> > Soft Quiescing of Writes for Snapshotting
> >
> >> On May 8, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Spencer Shepler <sshepler@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for the input.  I have requested a single, 2.5 hour session for
> IETF99 in Prague the week of July 16th.
> >>
> >> Spencer
> >>
> >> From: nfsv4 [mailto:nfsv4-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adamson, Andy
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:08 AM
> >> To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>; Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com
> >
> >> Cc: nfsv4@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [nfsv4] IETF 99 - July 16-21 - Prague (request for WG on
> meeting)
> >>
> >> I would also like to meet and clear up NFS4 and NFS4.1 mulitpath.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -->Andy
> >>
> >> From: nfsv4 <nfsv4-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Christoph Hellwig <
> hch@lst.de>
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:14:07 AM
> >> To: Chuck Lever
> >> Cc: Christoph Hellwig; nfsv4@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [nfsv4] IETF 99 - July 16-21 - Prague (request for WG on
> meeting)
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 11:28:28AM -0400, Chuck Lever wrote:
> >> > I have cycles to help with a draft, if you'd like to offload
> >> > some of that work.
> >>
> >> Drafting should be easy - I'll need to get my prototype into a shape
> where
> >> I even want to document it.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nfsv4 mailing list
> >> nfsv4@ietf.org
> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfsv4
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nfsv4 mailing list
> >> nfsv4@ietf.org
> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfsv4
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nfsv4 mailing list
> > nfsv4@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfsv4
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nfsv4 mailing list
> > nfsv4@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfsv4
>
> --
> Chuck Lever
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nfsv4 mailing list
> nfsv4@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nfsv4
>